[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

On what planet do cis. women’s rights impede that basic want/need of transitioning or vice-versa?

That was never my argument, that transwomen in general is an afront to women's rights. But the consequences, i.e. transwomen in women's spaces etc.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That was never my argument, that transwomen in general is an afront to women's rights. But the consequences, i.e. transwomen in women's spaces etc.

Okay, the trans prison/bathroom thing can be problematic (especially the prisons part) but in many ways that’s just symptomatic of the wider problem in society that’s been here since 2018. A 5-year-old girl now can identify as a horse if she wants to and according to some non-existent rights has the “right” to be taken more-or-less seriously, so by that analogy you can see what the problem is when people who are still biologically cis. pop out of the woodworks from nowhere and insist on being the opposite gender. It’s a bit different in the case of people who are actually transitioned (or at least transitioning).

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Redway

Okay, the trans prison/bathroom thing can be problematic (especially the prisons part) but in many ways that’s just symptomatic of the wider problem in society that’s been here since 2018. A 5-year-old girl now can identify as a horse if she wants to and according to some non-existent rights has the “right” to be taken more-or-less seriously, so by that analogy you can see what the problem is when people who are still biologically cis. pop out of the woodworks from nowhere and insist on being the opposite gender. It’s a bit different in the case of people who are actually transitioned (or at least transitioning).

Ditto for sports (going back to this whole shebang). I’m sure Ollie’s got loads to say about this but I don’t see anyone reasonably suggesting that trans women should be allowed to play rugby alongside cis women. Athletics is neither here nor there because it’s not a sport that’s particularly gendered at all. You can either run professionally fast and jump through hoops or you can’t.