[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i definitely see the enemy of my enemy is my friend going on here, because under any other circumstance the father would universally be called a knob

Absolutely agree

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Telephone calls before their wedding day. It's in the acclaimed author Tom Bowers book.
But it's interesting that that's the thing you picked from my post to comment on.

Just saw the edit you made to this post after I'd replied already.

You think it's interesting that that's the thing I picked from your post? Why? It was the only thing that was relevant to this thread for me because it completely destroys his claim that's quoted in the Twitter link :

'I think she has influence on Harry more than he does on her'

Hope that helps.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by jet

In a 2014 Father's Day post (just 2 years before she zoned in on Harry) on her now-defunct blog, The Tig, Meghan wrote:

"I think of so many moments with my dad. Our club sandwich & fruit smoothie tradition post my tap & ballet class - classes, which by the way, he religiously took me to on Saturday mornings after working 75+ hours a week as a lighting director.
"The fishing trips along the Kern River and Big Bear Lake to catch catfish or trout and cook it up for dinner, and the commitment he made to lighting my high school musicals so that they felt as grand as a Broadway show.

"The blood, sweat and tears this man (who came from so little in a small town of Pennsylvania, where Christmas stockings were filled with oranges, and dinners were potatoes and spam) invested in my future so that I could grow up to have so much."
She went on to say that he helped turn her bathroom into a darkroom when she was 12 and "wanted to be a photographer", and put gas in her car so she could travel to auditions.

The post continued: "And that, right there, is the point: my dad taught me to find my light. And he taught me to always make my own box.
"To my dad – my thoughtful, inspiring, hardworking daddy – Happy Father’s Day. ‘If I had all the water in the world, I’d give all the water to you…’ (You won’t get that quote, but he will. And for Father’s Day, that’s all that matters)."
............
All that love and caring for her in her lifetime up to 2016 wiped out in one mistake and later frustration at being thrown out of her life for good. I think it was all just so unnecessary and very sad.

Maybe she was caught up in emotions when she wrote that post, and she might have meant it at that time but not really before or after.

Or maybe it was ghostwritten by someone drawing from biographical details of her life to make it have verisimilitude.

Or maybe she was extending an olive branch because she wanted to reconnect.

Or maybe it was nearly a decade ago, and has nothing to do with her current circumstances?

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i definitely see the enemy of my enemy is my friend going on here, because under any other circumstance the father would universally be called a knob

Literally nobody has said Mr.Markle is right to give interviews. I have clearly said he was unwise to do so, but I get his frustration at the complete cutting off and especially when he was seriously ill and not even a ‘get well soon’ card came his way.
There are people here who never utter a bad word about Meghan giving interviews about family relationships in which she bad -mouths them and tells a pack of lies - and makes many millions doing it.
The hypocrisy and cold - heartedness is staggering.

[arista]

He is aged, 79


Heart attack last year

[arista]

In Germany

[arista]

Last Year.


[Meghan Markle's father Thomas Snr
(middle with son Tom Jr,right, and daughter Samantha, left),
who stayed up all night to watch the ceremony
on TV at his home in Rosarito, Mexico]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ciliation.html

[bots]

Originally Posted by jet

Literally nobody has said Mr.Markle is right to give interviews. I have clearly said he was unwise to do so, but I get his frustration at the complete cutting off and especially when he was seriously ill and not even a ‘get well soon’ card came his way.
There are people here who never utter a bad word about Meghan giving interviews about family relationships in which she bad -mouths them and tells a pack of lies - and makes many millions doing it.
The hypocrisy and cold - heartedness is staggering.

this is about her Dad airing dirty laundry in public. I dont think there will be a kid in the land that wouldn't be absolutely mortified if a parent did that to them.


This isn't about, well so and so did something in the past. This is now, today .... and the guy is a knob

[Swan]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this is about her Dad airing dirty laundry in public. I dont think there will be a kid in the land that wouldn't be absolutely mortified if a parent did that to them.


This isn't about, well so and so did something in the past. This is now, today .... and the guy is a knob

Just wanna jump in and say that this is exactly the same thing Harry and Meghan did with Harry's family. They even went on a book tour with it. And on the biggest tv host in US history.

So for those of you rightly slating her father here, same could be said for her and Harry slating his lot in a very public manner, no?

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this is about her Dad airing dirty laundry in public. I dont think there will be a kid in the land that wouldn't be absolutely mortified if a parent did that to them.


This isn't about, well so and so did something in the past. This is now, today .... and the guy is a knob

If Meghan found it so mortifying, she could have stopped it long ago by going to see him and talking things through. Bringing baby Archie to see him would have been a great ice breaker. But it is obviously working to her advantage, so why would she?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

Just wanna jump in and say that this is exactly the same thing Harry and Meghan did with Harry's family. They even went on a book tour with it. And on the biggest tv host in US history.

So for those of you rightly slating her father here, same could be said for her and Harry slating his lot in a very public manner, no?

As I said before - the difference is in the expectation afterwards. He can do what he wants, they can do what they want, we can all have our opinions on those things.

The issue is that Mr Markle then gets weepy about them not wanting him in their lives.

In fact - in a hilarious and yet entirely predictable irony - the same people who think it's "terrible" that Meghan won't talk to her dad get practically furious at the idea that Harry and his family might ever build bridges and insist that he should be "left out in the cold" .

Again on that I'd just say, I have no feelings one way or the other on whether Charles, William and co should be willing to have a relationship with Harry and his family other than to say that that is entirely up to them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

If Meghan found it so mortifying, she could have stopped it long ago by going to see him and talking things through. Bringing baby Archie to see him would have been a great ice breaker. But it is obviously working to her advantage, so why would she?

"If you come and see me I'll stop going to the press" is 100% a reason to not go and see him. It's manipulation to the point of basically being blackmail. And if you let someone extort you once, they'll use the same tactic again, guaranteed.

[The Slim Reaper]

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"If you come and see me I'll stop going to the press" is 100% a reason to not go and see him. It's manipulation to the point of basically being blackmail. And if you let someone extort you once, they'll use the same tactic again, guaranteed.

In this case - BS.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

As I said before - the difference is in the expectation afterwards. He can do what he wants, they can do what they want, we can all have our opinions on those things.

The issue is that Mr Markle then gets weepy about them not wanting him in their lives.

In fact - in a hilarious and yet entirely predictable irony - the same people who think it's "terrible" that Meghan won't talk to her dad get practically furious at the idea that Harry and his family might ever build bridges and insist that he should be "left out in the cold" .

Again on that I'd just say, I have no feelings one way or the other on whether Charles, William and co should be willing to have a relationship with Harry and his family other than to say that that is entirely up to them.

No, it's the exact same thing, H/M, Thomas Markle, slating their families in a public space in order to profit financially . No matter how you try and wrap it up, it's essentially the same thing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

No, it's the exact same thing, H/M, Thomas Markle, slating their families in a public space in order to profit financially . No matter how you try and wrap it up, it's essentially the same thing.

But the issue that's being discussed is Thomas Markle's weepy wee face now because he feels entitled to still have contact with them/see his grandkids.

When Harry and Meghan are in the press saying "Boo hoo we're so sad that we don't get to see Charles and William at Christmas" then you might have a point. But there are zero examples of anything like that. They've made it crystal clear that they know what they're doing and that the relationships might never be salvageable.

So here's the similarity: They've both made the decision to burn bridges with their family.

Here's the difference: Thomas Markle is now stood next to the burned bridge, crying and stamping his feet, insisting that his daughter should whittle him a ladder to climb back across.

And again literally the ONLY facts of any relevance: the choice of whether or not she wants to do that is hers and hers alone, and any sensible adult needs to accept that we have no idea of the ins and outs of any of their family relationships.

[jet]

The thing is, too, Meghan isn’t an ill old woman who the Royals cast out because she made one mistake….and the Royals didn’t cut them off after all the bad mouthing and lying she and Harry were continuously doing.
They continued to be invited to Royal occasions like the Jubilee, the funerals and the Coronation etc. The Queen even invited them to visit her at Balmoral , which they declined. Her lady in waiting said she wanted to get to the bottom of why they were doing all that, and talk it through with kindness, even though she dreaded any sort of confrontation happening. That’s the difference between making an effort even though you are deeply hurt at the betrayal and being cold hearted and callous.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Swan

Just wanna jump in and say that this is exactly the same thing Harry and Meghan did with Harry's family. They even went on a book tour with it. And on the biggest tv host in US history.

So for those of you rightly slating her father here, same could be said for her and Harry slating his lot in a very public manner, no?

Great point

My take on it is he does not have any way to contact her and this is his way of doing so

They told us to be kind....Im not sure her father has committed any majorly henious crime against them when they cut him off, after all he was due to walk her down the aisle,they gave him zero protection or coaching on how to deal with the paps, and I blame the palace for that as well, also the fact that the first time he would have met Harry would have been at their wedding is pretty odd even for the Royals

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

The thing is, too, Meghan isn’t an ill old woman who the Royals cast out because she made one mistake….and the Royals didn’t cut them off after all the bad mouthing and lying she and Harry were continuously doing.
They continued to be invited to Royal occasions like the Jubilee, the funerals and the Coronation etc. The Queen even invited them to visit her at Balmoral , which they declined. Her lady in waiting said she wanted to get to the bottom of why they were doing all that, and talk it through with kindness, even though she dreaded any sort of confrontation happening. That’s the difference between making an effort even though you are deeply hurt at the betrayal and being cold hearted and callous.

None of this changes the fact that you have no idea about the ins and outs of their personal relationship, nor that whether or not someone wants to make an effort to build bridges with their family is entirely their business and their decision. There's no right or wrong answer here: it just has absolutely nothing to do with anyone but them, and no one's opinion on the matter is worth anything at all other than those involved.

That's why it's "baffling" that he keeps going to the press. Why? He could get the whole world on his side and it doesn't matter, it's still her choice if she wants to talk to her dad.

I feel like there's some sort of underlying frustration about this from some people. Like there should be some way around it or some sort of duty/expectation/"rules" around how people choose to engage with their families.

There just aren't.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My take on it is he does not have any way to contact her and this is his way of doing so

"I don't have any way to get in contact to improve the relationship, so I'll do it by doing the exact thing that caused the rift in the first place, that's bound to work!"

pull the other one Cherie, you can't possibly believe that!

[Oliver_W]

Does Meghan even lie?

I know she exaggerates etc, but she's hardly Jack Monroe.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"I don't have any way to get in contact to improve the relationship, so I'll do it by doing the exact thing that caused the rift in the first place, that's bound to work!"

pull the other one Cherie, you can't possibly believe that!

Well he doesn't have a phone number and maybe he has written letters and they have not responded so he is just plugging away.... we dont know what his state of mind is, he has had a stroke, its very easy to pontifcate from the sidelines sometimes when you are in the middle of something you cant see the wood for the trees


They told us all to be kind....obviously doenst apply to her

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Does Meghan even lie?

I know she exaggerates etc, but she's hardly Jack Monroe.

she barefaced lied in court

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

she barefaced lied in court

Fine. I didn't know that

[AnnieK]

If you met my Nan before she passed, you would think she was the nicest, sweetest old lady ever. However, as I sat with my dying mum she did something that I found unforgivable. I never told anyone (not even my Dad or brother) what it was, but I never spoke to her again. She passed without me seeing her after my mum's funeral, everyone thought I was an awful human but I couldn't forgive what she did. Now, prior to this incident I had a great relationship so if I had had a blog, I could have written a gushing post about her. As has been said, we don't know what has been said but the fact maghan wrote a blog piece years ago doesnt mean the relationship didn't fracture afterwards. Family relationships can be toxic, but should remain behind closed doors......that goes for Thomas and Harry and Meghan