[Z]

Originally Posted by Stu

People are falling over themselves to assign the blame to Hamas/Palestinian jihadists too. You started off on a good platform there being concerned - as I am - with blame going any which way on unverified claims before sort of going down the road of "But what I'm really annoyed at is when people do it with Israel!"

Full citation if needed: I condemn Hamas, lack the ballistic nous to determine how a hospital was bombed, and so have not and won't comment on who I think done it or who might be lying about it.

This is incredible, by the way. Expertly walking a tightrope of outrage, sensitivity and a sort of weird performance comedy/deconstruction of the talk show format. Take a bow, son.

I actually just watched that interview this morning, I thought it was fantastic.

I'm aware that the reverse is happening, I think I'm just particularly triggered by the direction of it going towards Israel because my social media is full of 20-something and 30-something liberal leaning friends, so I'm not being confronted with pro-Israeli anti-Hamas/Palestinian propaganda, only when I go looking for it on purpose - so definitely not picking the side of Netanyahu's insane government and have the same opinion as you.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Z

I actually just watched that interview this morning, I thought it was fantastic.

I'm aware that the reverse is happening, I think I'm just particularly triggered by the direction of it going towards Israel because my social media is full of 20-something and 30-something liberal leaning friends, so I'm not being confronted with pro-Israeli anti-Hamas/Palestinian propaganda, only when I go looking for it on purpose - so definitely not picking the side of Netanyahu's insane government and have the same opinion as you.

Fair enough, I totally respect that it's possible to have your sensitivities more alight by a certain angle/side.

My algorithm is the same in all honesty. I will say though that in Ireland pro-Palestine stances have always been symptomatic of our own history as a repressed, colonised nation. Even our centre-right leaders have condemned both Hamas and expressed extreme caution and concern at the magnitude of the IDF response in the last week or two. We've historically been vigilant of Netanyahu's regime overstepping international laws and being a grand-stage bully. This should not be conflated with anti-semitism or outright rejection of the Israeli state.

In very practical terms, condemning the Hamas atrocities whilst not picking 'Team Western' and instead actually airing vigilance, context and caution to the cyclic history of bloodshed and oppression that precipitated these atrocities to begin with would seem to me to be the most humane, actionable stance as it speaks to prevention rather than reaction. Prevention is possible, reaction is inevitable.

Pissing in the wind, as they say.

[Z]

I think the global response needs to force a two state solution. This has been eight decades of going round in circles, there are too many people who vehemently reject the idea that they should concede anything to the other side and the cycle continues. How can anyone expect Israelis and Palestinians and the wider region to sit down and peacefully agree to each other's right to exist when there are populations loudly decrying that the other side are rats to be exterminated or colonial settlers who steal land, children of light and children of darkness... the rhetoric is so extreme that obviously nothing productive can come of it. The British government and opposition uniting to give the green light to Israel to 'respond' when the response has already been made, to blockade basic essentials needed for life and to cause the forcible transfer of population from north Gaza to south, after decades of hemming people into tinier and tinier pockets of space, is utterly reprehensible.

It's been playing on my mind how furious from beyond the grave I'd be if I died in either side of this conflict right now with my beliefs that Hamas and Netanyahu are extreme nutcases who don't represent me at all, and large sections of the world wouldn't stop to think if me, a victim, even agreed with any of it.

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[arista]

[with my beliefs that Hamas and Netanyahu are extreme nutcases]

Z
you are wrong Hamas are more Extreme and more Evil.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

[with my beliefs that Hamas and Netanyahu are extreme nutcases]

Z
you are wrong Hamas are more Extreme and more Evil.

Perhaps, but it isn't a competition. They want to annihilate each other.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Z

Perhaps, but it isn't a competition. They want to annihilate each other.

Thats not possible
Hamas Leaders are in other nations


The Leaders are the problem

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

He really does not like Jews that wee boy

Wonder why?

[arista]

Since
USA President Biden could not meet the other nation leaders
he is now Flying home

The Foreign Secretary James Cleverly, has gone there today.

UK PM Sunak arrives tomorrow.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[bots]

the BBC are really pissing me off

[OnTheRight]

It's time to defund the BBC.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

What did he have to say?

(I'm not sitting through one of his videos)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What did he have to say?

(I'm not sitting through one of his videos)

The Lady Ambassador
for Israel was on SkyNewsHD AM
she spoke some un truths,

[arista]

Sadly, 7 British Hostages
have been killed

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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Hamas were probably hoping for such things in "retaliation" when bombed their own people for the zillionth time...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no crater

Biden said he reviewed the evidence and it was a hamas rocket

September 2023: "Haha you idiots believing the corrupt Biden government and what you read in the MSM"

October 2023: "Biden says... the papers say..."

I wonder what could have changed? Baffled I am.

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-massacre.html

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