[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Unless he was saying or doing something that would be illegal to do in his free time, then it can't be anything other than an issue for his employers.

That said I'd be lying if I claimed to know how TFL runs as an employer, I get the impression that London itself is heavily involved with TFL(?) so it may indeed be within the remit of the Mayor (ultimately) even as an employment issue. Not the police, though.

TFL is governed by the Mayor

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes, the mayor is the chairman of TFL, and he needs to comment on this and make boundaries for his staff clear.

For instance, I could almost guarantee that the tannoy system should only used to instruct passengers so they can use the system safely and easily.

100% and I would argue it is definately British Transport Police issue as it involves the safety of the travelling public

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You shouldn't play down as simply being a man saying free Palestine, when it was a man whipping up his passengers by shouting this mantra over a tannoy system.

There's nothing to play down. I've heard the clip, and you can tell by his voice that it seems good natured, not the scary mantra you're implying, to whip up the the London branch of Isis..

He will probably have an "acceptable speech over the tannoy" section in his contract, and if he's breeched the rules he will be punished. No need to beg the mayor for help.

[Liam-]

I’m so confused, do people now want people fired from their jobs for having sharing an opinion? I thought the free speech brigade has been defending that right for years? Now this man deserves to lose his job for having his opinion? Just say you don’t want people to support Palestine and be done with it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m so confused, do people now want people fired from their jobs for having sharing an opinion? I thought the free speech brigade has been defending that right for years? Now this man deserves to lose his job for having his opinion? Just say you don’t want people to support Palestine and be done with it

He was not on him own time, he was driving a tube train and is there to serve all his passengers not just those going to a March....he could have taken the day off and gone on the March where would the issue be, you should just say you want Jews to feel as unsafe as possible in the UK and be done with it

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

There's nothing to play down. I've heard the clip, and you can tell by his voice that it seems good natured, not the scary mantra you're implying, to whip up the the London branch of Isis..

He will probably have an "acceptable speech over the tannoy" section in his contract, and if he's breeched the rules he will be punished. No need to beg the mayor for help.

Good natured, for whom? Him and the people going to the rally!!

Definitely not for the isolated jew sitting alone terrified incase he is recognised.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He was not on him own time, he was driving a tube train and is there to serve all his passengers not just those going to a March....he could have taken the day off and gone on the March where would the issue be, you should just say you want Jews to feel as unsafe as possible in the UK and be done with it

Saying "free Palestine" is not an attack on Jews. That's absurd. Jews were also out in force to protest for a free Palestine.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Good natured, for whom? Him and the people going to the rally!!

Definitely not for the isolated jew sitting alone terrified incase he is recognised.

For the millionth time, "free Palestine" does not mean death to Jews. It just doesn't. The last 4 years has just been Galahads telling every other minority group that they don't have the right to not be offended, so I'm a bit confused.

What about other Jews that were on the train on their way to protest in solidarity with the Palestinian people?

[Cherie]

People pay an arm and a leg to travel around London, they should not be subjected to the politics of the driver whatever they might be

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

For the millionth time, "free Palestine" does not mean death to Jews. It just doesn't. The last 4 years has just been Galahads telling every other minority group that they don't have the right to not be offended, so I'm a bit confused.

What about other Jews that were on the train on their way to protest in solidarity with the Palestinian people?

I'm not sure that's as common as you think it is

Can't see many Jews wanting to be there amid a 300% rise in anti-Semitic incidents in the UK and amongst protesters chanting for jihad and the elimination of the state of Israel. Of course there will be some exceptions, just as you often get some non-white people in far right movements.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

For the millionth time, "free Palestine" does not mean death to Jews. It just doesn't. The last 4 years has just been Galahads telling every other minority group that they don't have the right to not be offended, so I'm a bit confused.

What about other Jews that were on the train on their way to protest in solidarity with the Palestinian people?

I'm sure those other Jews were shouting in the same good natured way that everyone else was..it still doesnt detract from the isolated jew passengers feeling of unease brought on by the idiot on the tannoy though.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm not sure that's as common as you think it is

Can't see many Jews wanting to be there amid a 300% rise in anti-Semitic incidents in the UK and amongst protesters chanting for jihad and the elimination of the state of Israel. Of course there will be some exceptions, just as you often get some non-white people in far right movements.

How common does it need to be? What's the percentage of the UK Jewish population that needed to be in attendance to qualify as also being worthy of consideration?

The "Hierarchy of Jews" is slipping into very dangerous territory, especially paired with the equivalence game you're playing.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm sure those other Jews were shouting in the same good natured way that everyone else was..it still doesnt detract from the isolated jew passengers feeling of unease brought on by the idiot on the tannoy though.

So do all minorities have the right to not be offended?

A free Palestine isn't a threat to Jews, but everyone telling them they should be scared to live here for the last 2 weeks, definitely adds to the fear in the air.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How common does it need to be? What's the percentage of the UK Jewish population that needed to be in attendance to qualify as also being worthy of consideration?

The "Hierarchy of Jews" is slipping into very dangerous territory, especially paired with the equivalence game you're playing.

It's not that they're not worthy of consideration, it's this idea that the presence of a few Jews at a pro-Palestine march means the Jewish community as a whole has nothing to worry about or is not facing any discrimination

You do accept that anti-Semitism has been on the increase recently and we should be worried about that?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not that they're not worthy of consideration, it's this idea that the presence of a few Jews at a pro-Palestine march means the Jewish community as a whole has nothing to worry about or is not facing any discrimination

You do accept that anti-Semitism has been on the increase recently and we should be worried about that?

Of course I accept that AS attacks are on the rise, and probably haven't stopped rising yet, unfortunately.

The initial inference was that Jews all view things the same way. I've only pointed out that it's not true, and I didn't stray into any territory where I've dismissed a minority of Jews supporting Palestine, being equal to non-white people supporting white supremacy.

"Self loathing Jew" is a very real AS trope, and that's where you were heading - not for a second do i think intentionally, but still not a good argument to make imo.

[bots]

jewish people may not be supportive of israeli action, but that doesn't stop them being very scared for their own safety. If they were caught on that train, they would be very uncomfortable at a minimum.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Jewish people may not be supportive of Israeli action, but that doesn't stop them being very scared for their own safety. If they were caught on that train, they would be very uncomfortable at a minimum.

Yes the Tube Driver
can not be found.

TFL confirmed

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the Tube Driver
can not be found.

TFL confirmed

thats obviously bollocks though

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the Tube Driver
can not be found.

TFL confirmed

This should be a concern to the travelling public if TFL do not know who is driving their trains at any given time?

[Cherie]

On Wednesday night I had one of the most disturbing experiences in almost a decade since we founded Campaign Against Antisemitism. It exposed a chilling failing in how the Met polices London.

Our charity has enormous respect for the police and the risks that ordinary officers take in ensuring our safety here in the capital. But somewhere, the Met has taken a seriously wrong turn.

I saw this firsthand on Wednesday. In the early evening, there were protesters at a demonstration at Whitehall in which the chant “from the river to the sea” was heard. The Home Secretary has said that it is “a staple of anti-Semitic discourse”. The police were present but did nothing.

Those protesters then came to a van, contracted by our charity to raise awareness of the crimes of Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation, by displaying images of the child hostages. These protesters hurled abuse at the van, leaving our volunteers very shaken. The police, who were present at the scene, still did nothing.


If there are people threatening harm to other people, the priority of the police must surely be to stop the people threatening harm. But this seems to be less and less the case, and even more so in the past couple of weeks since Hamas terrorists murdered over 1,400 Israelis and took some 200 people, including babies, children and the elderly, hostage, and London’s streets have erupted.

When the police finally did decide to take action, it was – would you believe it? – against the van. They ordered it to shut down the images and leave central London. Why? Because it was a soft target. It was easier to order law-abiding citizens to take their humanitarian call for the return of child hostages elsewhere – ostensibly to keep the peace and ensure safety – than it was to arrest those who were trying to suppress our freedom of expression by blocking and intimidating the team in the van.

How is this policy of policing meant to reassure law-abiding citizens, Jewish or not?

The worst was yet to come. When the volunteers explained to me what had happened, I returned with the van to the same location. By then, no protesters were present. But the police again ordered the van to stop displaying the pictures — physically holding me aside until the drivers had done so — and get out of central London. Apparently there are too many people in London who might be offended at a reminder that a proscribed terrorist group has abducted Jewish children for the police to control.

The mob has won.

The Met released a couple of mealy mouthed statements, failing to take responsibility or apologise. But they also didn’t acknowledge what an abysmal failure of policing this is, because of what it says about the force’s priorities. All communities in London – including the Jewish community – deserve a policing policy that protects their rights, not the rights of those who mean us harm.




https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&...ANNTA1&PC=LCTS

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

100% and I would argue it is definately British Transport Police issue as it involves the safety of the travelling public

So (while I agree on the unprofessionalism aspect) you're of the opinion that publicly expressing Palestinian-supporting sentiment is a public safety issue worthy of police involvement...

Originally Posted by Cherie

the police again ordered the van to stop displaying the pictures — physically holding me aside until the drivers had done so — and get out of central London. Apparently there are too many people in London who might be offended at a reminder that a proscribed terrorist group has abducted Jewish children for the police to control.

The mob has won.

The Met released a couple of mealy mouthed statements, failing to take responsibility or apologise. But they also didn’t acknowledge what an abysmal failure of policing this is.

...but here you're criticizing the police for saying that a billboard isn't turned back on because they're worried about public safety implications.

Weird maybe you can offer some clarity on this change of heart?

[arista]

[arista]

[Israeli forces have debuted a new weapons
system dubbed the 'Iron Sting', sharing video
of it being used to destroy Hamas
rocket launchers as they step up aerial assaults
and raids on terrorist squads in Gaza ahead of
a planned ground invasion.
The Israeli Defense Forces have already staged
'limited' raids to fight Palestinian gunmen
and said it is targeting sites where Hamas
was assembling to resist any wider
Israeli invasion. 'During the night there were
raids by tank and infantry forces.
These raids are raids that kill squads
of terrorists who are preparing for our
next stage in the war.

These are raids that
go deep,' chief military spokesperson
Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said in a briefing.
Hamas said the infiltration by what it described
as an armoured force took place east of
Khan Younis in southern Gaza.
As Israel promises an escalation
of its aerial strikes and hints an
invasion may be imminent,
Palestinian Prime Minister Muhammad Shtayyeh
told his cabinet that Gazans are being
'exposed to the Israeli murder machine'.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-hostages.html

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Looks more like a stray Hamas firework to me, maybe a home-made pipe bomb, DEFINITELY not military-grade weapons donated by the world's largest military superpower. Like that time when a Hamas terrorist sneezed and accidentally blew up a hospital.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

So (while I agree on the unprofessionalism aspect) you're of the opinion that publicly expressing Palestinian-supporting sentiment is a public safety issue worthy of police involvement...



...but here you're criticizing the police for saying that a billboard isn't turned back on because they're worried about public safety implications.

Weird maybe you can offer some clarity on this change of heart?

err give your head a wobble, one was conducted whiie a driver was at his place of work and should have had his mind on the job, the second was at a peaceful protest to raise awareness for the kidnapped, or are you of the mind that they should stay and home and shut up, I thought you were all for people being able to peacefully protest?