[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The only people that are making anything of this is the media, trying to make a story

If the comments WERE made and it is entirely feasible then it IS a story .. a massive one as well


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

If the comments WERE made and it is entirely feasible then it IS a story .. a massive one as well


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You will never know what happened...Meghan quoted words that made it sound Racist in the interview with Oprah...the Royals claimed 'recollections may vary'. Harry denied it was a Racist comment.

Believe the Royals and Harry...or believe Meghan who is known for her untruths.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You will never know what happened...Meghan quoted words that made it sound Racist in the interview with Oprah...the Royals claimed 'recollections may vary'. Harry denied it was a Racist comment.

Believe the Royals and Harry...or believe Meghan who is known for her untruths.

Harry said he felt that it wasn’t said in a racially way that . In effect, confirming it was said .. and it’s understandable to protect the family’s name

The meaning behind the comment is open to translation as we have shown in this very thread


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Harry said he felt that it wasn’t said in a racially way that . In effect, confirming it was said .. and it’s understandable to protect the family’s name

The meaning behind the comment is open to translation as we have shown in this very thread


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Well Harry was part of the conversation...he has said it was not said in a Racial way...end of story.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well Harry was part of the conversation...he has said it was not said in a Racial way...end of story.

Why ?

That’s his take and it’s probably biased for so many possible reasons ..

If we were all sat round talking in a similar situation.. and someone said that .. I guarantee that there would be some very questioning looks from the others .

Remember that wasn’t a normal situation and they are far from normal people . Meghan was completely outnumbered .


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[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well we know that the Royal Family in this country traditionally don't have many mixed race children in it's lineage,

They do actually. King George 3rd's wife Charlotte was mixed race, directly descended from a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house. They had 15 children.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

They do actually. King George 3rd's wife Charlotte was mixed race, directly descended from a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house. They had 15 children.

Interesting

What col…. Oh wait .


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[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Fair enough.

I suppose it depends on how it's being said I suppose.

It's just I've personally never heard of this kind of conversation before, so to me it is a bit odd.

I know quite a few different race couples and they all wondered what skin tone their babies would have. There is nothing odd about it, it's perfectly normal and no different from wondering what colour eyes or hair etc, as others have already said.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jet

They do actually. King George 3rd's wife Charlotte was mixed race, directly descended from a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house. They had 15 children.

Any ancestor of Queen Charlotte who may have been black would have lived at least 15 generations - or about 300 years - before she was born. And there is much conjecture among historians whether or not the claims she had a black ancestor are true.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Any ancestor of Queen Charlotte who may have been black would have lived at least 15 generations - or about 300 years - before she was born. And there is much conjecture among historians whether or not the claims she had a black ancestor are true.

An interesting article about this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../race-monarchy
Was this Britain's first black queen?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

I know quite a few different race couples and they all wondered what skin tone their babies would have. There is nothing odd about it, it's perfectly normal and no different from wondering what colour eyes or hair etc, as others have already said.

Your scenario/s are entirely different to the toxic one we’re discussing though


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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Your scenario/s are entirely different to the toxic one we’re discussing though


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It’s like he’s deliberately missing out the bit where they were concerned.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s like he’s deliberately missing out the bit where they were concerned.

Well the conversation was with Harry…if anyone had said they were “concerned about the colour of Archie’s skin”…Harry would have addressed it…he has never claimed the conversation was Racial in fact he has denied it….it was only Meghan that implied it was racial and she wasn’t even there…pick the bones out of that.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well the conversation was with Harry…if anyone had said they were “concerned about the colour of Archie’s skin”…Harry would have addressed it…he has never claimed the conversation was Racial in fact he has denied it….it was only Meghan that implied it was racial and she wasn’t even there…pick the bones out of that.

Harry would naturally defend his family when he realised the size of storm brewing.

He could have even been pressurised in some way or other


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Harry would naturally defend his family when he realised the size of storm brewing.




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He has done nothing but slag them off since he left the fold

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Your scenario/s are entirely different to the toxic one we’re discussing though

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s like he’s deliberately missing out the bit where they were concerned.

Where was it said that concern was expressed?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Harry would naturally defend his family when he realised the size of storm brewing.

He could have even been pressurised in some way or other


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He didn't defend them when the storm was brewing, he let it all happen and it was a whole 2 years later when doing his interviews for 'Spare' that he said they weren't racist.
He would naturally defend his family? Jeez, as Rusti said, he was slagging them off continuously during those 2 years.

[bots]

The onus is on Harry to clear it all up, but he won't because he seems to want his dad to squirm. Which is ****ed up from whatever angle you view it

[jet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

That doesn’t mean that EVERYTHING she utters is a mistruth or a lie ..

I can definitely imagine that sentence being uttered by someone at the palace


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I don’t believe for a moment that any senior members of the Royal family made any racist remarks (when in all their years they have been under relentless scrutiny and have never displayed even a hint of racism - quite the contrary!) - and the late Queen Elizabeth stated that ‘recollections may vary’ - a diplomatic and kindly way of saying, amidst all the resulting furore, that Charles’s daughter - in - law was making a mountain out of a molehill.
Yet you prefer to believe Meghan’s version when she told 17 lies in the Oprah interview (and an additional 15 exaggerations) in her proven toxic quest to damage the Monarchy.
Which scenario is the most likely?

But yeah, I don’t know why I bother.
If Meghan herself now admitted she lied, you would say she was pressured into it by the Royal family, much like you said about Harry when he stated that, being part of that family, he knows they aren’t racist.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

I don’t believe for a moment that any senior members of the Royal family made any racist remarks (when in all their years they have been under relentless scrutiny and have never displayed even a hint of racism - quite the contrary!) - and the late Queen Elizabeth stated that ‘recollections may vary’ - a diplomatic and kindly way of saying, amidst all the resulting furore, that Charles’s daughter - in - law was making a mountain out of a molehill.
Yet you prefer to believe Meghan’s version when she told 17 lies in the Oprah interview (and an additional 15 exaggerations) in her proven toxic quest to damage the Monarchy.
Which scenario is the most likely?

But yeah, I don’t know why I bother.
If Meghan herself now admitted she lied, you would say she was pressured into it by the Royal family, much like you said about Harry when he stated that, being part of that family, he knows they aren’t racist.

You are making out the Royals are an upstanding family of angels when history shows they are far from it .. there are gaffs going back decades in the public domain just imagine what they’re like behind closed doors


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[jet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You are making out the Royals are an upstanding family of angels when history shows they are far from it .. there are gaffs going back decades in the public domain just imagine what they’re like behind closed doors


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I'm making out no such thing. They are fallible human beings like the rest of us - if we were under such continuous scrutiny few of us would fare any better.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the Monarchy is racist - but you seem to really want them to be proved as such. Why?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm making out no such thing. They are fallible human beings like the rest of us - if we were under such continuous scrutiny few of us would fare any better.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the Monarchy is racist - but you seem to really want them to be proved as such. Why?

The most notorious of the Prince’s comments was made in 1986 during his first and only state visit to China. Philip met with British university students who were studying Mandarin in Xi’an, telling one of them: “By the time you go back home you’ll have slitty eyes.”
The student, 21-year-old Simon Kirby, explained that the UK students didn’t live with their Chinese counterparts. Philip continued: “So [the Chinese] don’t want to mix with the barbarians.” A comment made in Australia in 2002 to an Indigenous Australian entrepreneur came a close scandalous second. Philip asked: “Do you still throw spears at each other?”


Philip once asked Lord Taylor of Warwick: ‘And what exotic part of the world do you come from?’ That’s because Lord Taylor is black.

When he once visited an electronics factory in Scotland and came across a “messy fuse box”, he exclaimed it looked ‘as though it was put in by an Indian’.”


The late Queen Liz had, for a good period of time, a household ban on hiring staff of colour, making herself exempt from racial equality laws. Due to applied pressures she conceded to employ some as menial servants.

The Queen's chief financial manager told civil servants that "it was not, in fact, the practice to appoint coloured immigrants or foreigners" to clerical roles, but they were allowed to be hired as domestic servants.

Even superficial changes, such as renaming the empire honours awards to make them less offensive, she refused to do.

The perception of the Queen as a harmless, benevolent older woman, hid the insidious racism of the monarchy, both past and present.


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[Zizu]

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[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm making out no such thing. They are fallible human beings like the rest of us - if we were under such continuous scrutiny few of us would fare any better.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the Monarchy is racist - but you seem to really want them to be proved as such. Why?

Unfortunately jet you can’t reason with zizu he has shown in other threads, once he gets something in his head it takes over

We all know by now that harry and Meghan not only twisted the truth but blatantly told lies to fit their own agendas

They have made themselves a laughing stock around the world

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by jet

when she told 17 lies in the Oprah interview (and an additional 15 exaggerations)

Are they random numbers? Or they verified fact-checks?

Originally Posted by Zizu

What's that picture meant to prove?