[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Patrick looked amazing on that movie. Different shape but still

…I always think of him as having a dancer physique, rather than a fighting one…but he did train as a dancer, didn’t he…and of course, Dirty Dancing…..

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I always think of him as having a dancer physique, rather than a fighting one…but he did train as a dancer, didn’t he…and of course, Dirty Dancing…..

Yes, he was a dancer. Had a dancer's body. But great actor as well. So versatile.

[Vanessa]

We should bring back the movie club.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

We should bring back the movie club.

…yeah for sure, we can do that…I’m happy with any movie that we can all access…/…stream…to movie watches at any time…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, his shape/physique and Patrick Swayze’s were quite different, I thought…but I don’t know which was ‘more accurate’ to an MMA fighter…

Definitely Jakes, Patrick Swayzes version of Dalton wasn't an MMA fighter though, he was supposed to be a Black belt in Karate

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

We should bring back the movie club.

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah for sure, we can do that…I’m happy with any movie that we can all access…/…stream…to movie watches at any time…

I'm in

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Definitely Jakes, Patrick Swayzes version of Dalton wasn't an MMA fighter though, he was supposed to be a Black belt in Karate

Patrick Swayze did do martial arts as well as the dancing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Definitely Jakes, Patrick Swayzes version of Dalton wasn't an MMA fighter though, he was supposed to be a Black belt in Karate

….ahhh, of course …and Patrick Swayze’s physique did have shades of Bruce Lee…/…martial arts trained…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Patrick Swayze did do martial arts as well as the dancing.

Yeah they said he was a Black belt in Karate

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah they said he was a Black belt in Karate

And he did all his own stunts

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm in

…I’ll look to doing a thread in the next few days for hopefully others, also…and we can all be looking at any movies to suggest from Netflix…?…I’m not sure if that’s the only streaming site that all can access…

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’ll look to doing a thread in the next few days for hopefully others, also…and we can all be looking at any movies to suggest from Netflix…?…I’m not sure if that’s the only streaming site that all can access…

I don't have Netflix

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't have Netflix

…what do you have, Vanessa …?…and we’ll have to have a think about how we can all watch …?…

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes but as long as that's not the only purpose of the female characters in a film, but it was the 80's, I think film has gotten a lot better in recent years for fleshing out it's female characters, thankfully

Being serious I agree with you really, characters shouldn't be there solely for their looks.

I do think modern Media might want to tap into that market a little bit more than they currently are though, and I think they won't do it because they seem to be scared that they'll be seen as misogynistic by some people, if they have attractive women in Films, TV, and especially Video Games made in the West.

Now that's not to say that there aren't attractive women in Entertainment, I mean straight away I can think of Rebecca Ferguson, Scarlett Johansson, Margot Robbie, and the Actress that plays Yennefer on The Witcher TV Series, but fiction that has those Actresses in them, aren't really playing on their attractiveness (which tbf is a good thing in some ways,) but it's the whole "averting the male gaze" arguments from Hollywood that I think pisses me off more than anything, because guys are still allowed to be sexualized, and according to Hollywood I would be seen as an "Incel" for pointing that particular hypocrisy out, which is absurd as I despise Incels, but I know that's the argument they'd make.

But I do think that market research shows that a bit of shallow casting does help make a product more commercially successful.

Like for example, not as many people would've watched Titanic if the two leads looked like Wayne Rooney & Susan Boyle (no offense intended for Susan Boyle, Rooney I'm still a little bitter at lol,) but that's my view on how that Film became a juggernaut success.

Apologies for the rant, I had to get that off my chest.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't have Netflix

You could always explore other methods.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Being serious I agree with you really, characters shouldn't be there solely for their looks.

I do think modern Media might want to tap into that market a little bit more than they currently are though, and I think they won't do it because they seem to be scared that they'll be seen as misogynistic by some people, if they have attractive women in Films, TV, and especially Video Games made in the West.

Now that's not to say that there aren't attractive women in Entertainment, I mean straight away I can think of Rebecca Ferguson, Scarlett Johansson, Margot Robbie, and the Actress that plays Yennefer on The Witcher TV Series, but fiction that has those Actresses in them, aren't really playing on their attractiveness (which tbf is a good thing in some ways,) but it's the whole "averting the male gaze" arguments from Hollywood that I think pisses me off more than anything, because guys are still allowed to be sexualized, and according to Hollywood I would be seen as an "Incel" for pointing that particular hypocrisy out, which is absurd as I despise Incels, but I know that's the argument they'd make.

But I do think that market research shows that a bit of shallow casting does help make a product more commercially successful.

Like for example, not as many people would've watched Titanic if the two leads looked like Wayne Rooney & Susan Boyle (no offense intended for Susan Boyle, Rooney I'm still a little bitter at lol,) but that's my view on how that Film became a juggernaut success.

Apologies for the rant, I had to get that off my chest.

It's not necessarily hypocrisy because it's not like-for-like and there's no direct comparison - there's a risk of veering into being exploitative with sexualisation of women that doesn't exist with men. There's a different power dynamic and usually the sexualisation of male characters is intended to be subversive. I'd be wary of drawing the direct comparison. Sexualisation of men (USUALLY) doesn't carry the same inherent threat of control and violence. ANd of course, the historical context is entirely different.

That said there is and should be plenty of room for movies to "be sexy" without being exploitative. The issue there of course is that it's often going to come down to the skill level of the writers and director.