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Originally Posted by Niamh.

yes both "sides" it seems

There is a very real elephant in the room that the proportion of gay men who are misogynistic is no smaller at all than the proportion of straight men, and IMO it's becoming increasingly obvious. There's an underlying misogyny that was "hidden under friendship" for a long time... gay men appeared to be very supportive of women... but it turns out it's just different angles of the same thing. Straight men have objectified women for sex, gay men have objectified them for their "allyship".

If a women loses her "ally" status then the real attitudes of gay men towards women become abundantly clear and it's no different to your average gammon. Different flavours of the same crisps.

This is a tricky subject because of the inevitable claims of homophobia but it's not a slur on gay men at all... just saying that when it comes down to it, whether men are attracted to men or women, it doesn't change the effects of male socialisation. If anything it's the opposite of homophobia. It's saying just because a man is gay, don't forget he is still a man and the default male unconscious bias against women is still very much present.