[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I shall say it again.
.71 percent of Palestinians support the actions of hamas ,(the ruling body of Palestine) on oct 7th...

I wonder if they still do?

71% of Palestinians polled by whom and using what methodology.

If they accurately polled women and children I will eat my own hat and yours Parmy.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As I have already explained no one said there was widespread approval for Israels actions, the positive vote was for a 20 year old girl bullied by people who jump on the latest bandwagon which happens at the moment to be be Palestine

and the comparison with Manchester is very appropriate, she was bullied because she had sympathy with those Israelis killed..how very dare she have empathy for people from her country

It has literally nothing to do with the point made in this thread but I can accept that it's my own fault for distracting from my own point by pointedly mentioning the Eurovision threads. Mea culpa. The only relevant point (which, despite some difference in opinion on the reason for this, we appear to agree on?) is that the Eurovision vote does not reflect international attitudes towards the government of Israel and that international support for Israel at both a population and official level is objectively less now than it was on Oct 6th 2023.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I shall say it again.
.71 percent of Palestinians support the actions of hamas ,(the ruling body of Palestine) on oct 7th...

I wonder if they still do?

Judging by the Palestinian celebrations and dancing in the street on October 7th I'd say 71% was quite conservative. It's one of several images from that day I can never un-see

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Judging by the Palestinian celebrations and dancing in the street on October 7th I'd say 71% was quite conservative. It's one of several images from that day I can never un-see

Again Livia can you find one of those images and count the number of dancing women and children. The counting shouldn't take long?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

71% of Palestinians polled by whom and using what methodology.

If they accurately polled women and children I will eat my own hat and yours Parmy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...es-2023-12-14/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...es-2023-12-14/

This doesn't actually answer the question about who was polled, but never mind.

This did catch my attention though:

"The PCPSR poll found that 44% of Gazans say they have enough food and water for a day or two, and 56% say that they do not. Almost two-thirds of Gazan respondents - 64% - said a member of their family had been killed or injured in the war."

I wonder what percentage of Israeli citizens don't have enough food and water to last a few days? Do you think it'll be less than 56%? I wonder what percentage of Israeli citizens have lost a direct family member in the conflict?

I wonder what percentage of comfortable commentators sat on our computers here in Britain? I wonder what we'd do or think if we were starving or had lost family to war.

I wonder.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This doesn't actually answer the question about who was polled, but never mind.

This did catch my attention though:

"The PCPSR poll found that 44% of Gazans say they have enough food and water for a day or two, and 56% say that they do not. Almost two-thirds of Gazan respondents - 64% - said a member of their family had been killed or injured in the war."

I wonder what percentage of Israeli citizens don't have enough food and water to last a few days? Do you think it'll be less than 56%? I wonder what percentage of Israeli citizens have lost a direct family member in the conflict?

I wonder what percentage of comfortable commentators sat on our computers here in Britain? I wonder what we'd do or think if we were starving or had lost family to war.

I wonder.

I wonder if they were telling the truth....

[Beso]

I doubt they were LT, considering this is from december last year and still nobody is dying from starvation.

[Beso]

And TS, 71 percent of the population.... it must include women..unless you believe 71 percent of the Palestinian pop is male.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wonder if they were telling the truth....

Originally Posted by parmnion

I doubt they were LT, considering this is from december last year and still nobody is dying from starvation.

Originally Posted by parmnion

And TS, 71 percent of the population.... it must include women..unless you believe 71 percent of the Palestinian pop is male.

You can't even make up your own minds about whether it's a reliable poll or not my entire point was that it probably isn't accurate.

Of course in true form for you chaps: the parts that you would like to be accurate are accurate, the parts that don't fall in line with what you want to be true are inaccurate lies.

If ever there was an illustration of the benefits of further education. Sigh.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And TS, 71 percent of the population.... it must include women..unless you believe 71 percent of the Palestinian pop is male.

I asked about the methodology for a reason. Unless the polling was specifically structured to encapsulate the views of a diverse range of participants, then it can only have been done in one of two ways. The first is random polling in public settings, the second is polling of households (where possible I suppose?).

In either case, given the social structure of a predominantly Muslim nation, whether the poll was carried out publicly or per-household the primary respondent is likely to have been an adult male. Meaning that the results are skewed in such a way that it has no bearing on the morality of bombing the entire population.

[user104658]

Not that any of it matters now as you and LT have just clearly agreed that it's an unreliable poll.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Not that any of it matters now as you and LT have just clearly agreed that it's an unreliable poll.

yes the support for Hamas is probably 91%

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Not that any of it matters now as you and LT have just clearly agreed that it's an unreliable poll.

Yet you cherry pick the part you believe to be true whilst rubbishing the other part..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yet you cherry pick the part you believe to be true whilst rubbishing the other part..

No I didn't, I clearly said multiple times that the entire poll is likely to be unreliable due to the circumstances under which it has been conducted.

[DemRed]

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Youtube video

Yes Good Report from Al Jazeera

Terrible waste of Urgent Food
needed in GAZA.

[DemRed]

And the result of the last video is this

Youtube video

[arista]

Yes Ch4HDnews
also showed the sad cases
as well

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

No I didn't, I clearly said multiple times that the entire poll is likely to be unreliable due to the circumstances under which it has been conducted.

It was conducted by the Palestinians, and is the only figures we have to go on.. You asked for the poll source, you got the poll source..you then say it's not reliable, whilst in the same breath highlighting people having a days worth of food whilst rubbishing the poll results.

The mere fact nobody has died from starvation since the article was written in december should have made you think twice about that cherry you tried to pick..

Go and find your own polls in future, and also, if you search Palestinian women celebrating oct 7th attacks you will find plenty of photographs of them doing so..so there is livia statement proven as well as my own..now can you prove that peope have died from starvation since december?

Or has the israeli and western governments aid plans worked? Even though hamas continue to bomb the usa built pier they built to land the supplies.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Good Report from Al Jazeera

Terrible waste of Urgent Food
needed in GAZA.

Its tragic Arista... I agree.

[Liam-]

Indoctrinating their children with hatred, shameful

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Indoctrinating their children with hatred, shameful

Again such a waste
all that food is needed urgently in Gaza.

[bots]

yeah, young children are stealing all the aid and intimidating the hamas fighters ..... what bollocks is this

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yeah, young children are stealing all the aid and intimidating the hamas fighters ..... what bollocks is this

Embarrassing to post it here