[Ammi]

…the irony of this is that the party are banning her from standing because she may be or is too potentially ‘damaging to the Labour Party’…and in banning her from standing, it’s become damaging to the Labour Party….its nonsensical…

…I’m probably just really dumb but Boris Johnson had a long history of prejudice and offensive remarks going back many years and he went on to become PM…So banning Diane Abbot doesn’t have a good feel at all…and that’s in no way minimising what she said but she has completed her suspension time and any punishment should surely not continue into any banning…I mean, this is like a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party and not a good look for Labour at all…but as I say, maybe I’m just not thinking this through properly…

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…the irony of this is that the party are banning her from standing because she may be or is too potentially ‘damaging to the Labour Party’…and in banning her from standing, it’s become damaging to the Labour Party….its nonsensical…

…I’m probably just really dumb but Boris Johnson had a long history of prejudice and offensive remarks going back many years and he went on to become PM…So banning Diane Abbot doesn’t have a good feel at all…and that’s in no way minimising what she said but she has completed her suspension time and any punishment should surely not continue into any banning…I mean, this is like a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party and not a good look for Labour at all…but as I say, maybe I’m just not thinking this through properly…

Boris Johnson too purged the Con party of the remainers thorn in his side and went on to win an 80 overall majority.
Even dumping MPs as sitting MPs like Kenneth Clarke out the party.

I must add it's nice to the concern now as to Diane Abbott.
Because even on here, the ridicule of her and dislike was quite intense.

Plus I have to add, there's people who are in ALL Parties admitted as members.
However who may be or would be deemed sooner or later as not being suitable to select for election on a first time or subsequent time
No matter who they were.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Boris Johnson too purged the Con party of the remainers thorn in his side and went on to win an 80 overall majority.
Even dumping MPs as sitting MPs like Kenneth Clarke out the party.

I must add it's nice to the concern now as to Diane Abbott.
Because even on here, the ridicule of her and dislike was quite intense.

Plus I have to add, there's people who are in ALL Parties admitted as members.
However who may be or would be deemed sooner or later as not being suitable to select for election on a first time or subsequent time
No matter who they were.

…I think that one of the most disappointing and saddening things with Diane for me, was that she could have voiced such prejudice when she has been such a victim of it herself…and obviously, still is…Frank Hester’s statement that Diane made him ‘hate all black women’ was appalling….at least with Diane, she has ‘served her time’ as it were, in her suspension….for many other cases, it’s just yesterday’s news and move on…but now a ban from standing as well…?…this is just not sitting right, Joey….

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I think that one of the most disappointing and saddening things with Diane for me, was that she could have voiced such prejudice when she has been such a victim of it herself…and obviously, still is…Frank Hester’s statement that Diane made him ‘hate all black women’ was appalling….at least with Diane, she has ‘served her time’ as it were, in her suspension….for many other cases, it’s just yesterday’s news and move on…but now a ban from standing as well…?…this is just not sitting right, Joey….

From the views she expressed , I said she'd gone way over the line.
Often apologies means little oncebthe damage is done.

For me she shouldn't be an MP now.
She's been one long enough tomorrow how to control herself and what is offensive to say or not.

She's only banned from standing as a Labour representative not to be an MP overall.
If she's that popular stand as an independent when she can then say much of anything she likes.if she gets elected.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

From the views she expressed , I said she'd gone way over the line.
Often apologies means little oncebthe damage is done.

For me she shouldn't be an MP now.
She's been one long enough tomorrow how to control herself and what is offensive to say or not.

She's only banned from standing as a Labour representative not to be an MP overall.
If she's that popular stand as an independent when she can then say much of anything she likes.if she gets elected.

…ok, that’s all fair enough of a mindset, Joey…I’ll go away and have a little think on that, actually…I mean, I don’t disagree that ‘the damage is done’ but it feels that, that’s quite inconsistent and selective…(…not with you, I’m not saying…I mean in politics and fairness and consistency is what we always like to see, also…)…

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Boris Johnson too purged the Con party of the remainers thorn in his side and went on to win an 80 overall majority.
Even dumping MPs as sitting MPs like Kenneth Clarke out the party.

I must add it's nice to the concern now as to Diane Abbott.
Because even on here, the ridicule of her and dislike was quite intense.

Plus I have to add, there's people who are in ALL Parties admitted as members.
However who may be or would be deemed sooner or later as not being suitable to select for election on a first time or subsequent time
No matter who they were.

i saw a YouTube clip yesterday from one of the new right wing TV channels, and they had a momentum guy on and they were agreeing with him that the Diane Abbot treatment was disgusting. You couldn't make it up

[Ammi]

…of course you can make it up, it’s been made up to make politics since the beginning of time …it’s not out of any concern or consideration for Diane Abbott…it’s simply that it’s a ‘gift’ to be used against the Labour Party and tbh, the Labour Party are handing that gift over, so….

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i saw a YouTube clip yesterday from one of the new right wing TV channels, and they had a momentum guy on and they were agreeing with him that the Diane Abbot treatment was disgusting. You couldn't make it up

I'm.not a Con but I thought Johnson's treatment of Ken Clarke and many other of his Party disgusting.
It didn't stop Con and other voters voting for him in the 2019 election though.
Are you a fan of momentum now then bots?

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm.not a Con but I thought Johnson's treatment of Ken Clarke and many other of his Party disgusting.
It didn't stop Con and other voters voting for him in the 2019 election though.
Are you a fan of momentum now then bots?

i never made a secret of the fact that i have disliked Boris going back years. The way he dumped good mp's from the party over brexit was disgusting

And no, i can't stand momentum, but equally, i can't stand the right wing channels either.

I have no political home, i'm waiting for a truly middle of the road party that doesn't involve itself in the muck that current parties are serving up, none of whom can be trusted in anything that they say

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i never made a secret of the fact that i have disliked Boris going back years. The way he dumped good mp's from the party over brexit was disgusting

And no, i can't stand momentum, but equally, i can't stand the right wing channels either.

I have no political home, i'm waiting for a truly middle of the road party that doesn't involve itself in the muck that current parties are serving up, none of whom can be trusted in anything that they say

Bots,its always interesting, sometimes frustrating , However most of the time informative reading your posts on politics.

You have more experience than myself and good insight to elections too.

It's actually refreshing to discuss politics with you most of the time because you stay reasonable and make very interesting points.
Many of which over the years I've taken on board too.

Maybe and here I go again, my apologies, if we had PR, which I support mow strongly ,maybe there'd be more middle of the road politics as Parties compete to present much more inclusive policymaking to their processes.
I know PR is not perhaps your thing but I do think it could start a whole reformation of the whole process of electioneering and even government itself.