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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Porn has it's problems behind the scenes, I don't think that anyone is denying that.

It's just to me personally, I don't see how an entertainment product (which is what Porn is intended to be) turns normal children into rapists? To me that already tells me that these children were already broken, and Porn possibly gave them a method to act it out on this poor girl.

But my belief is that if it weren't Porn or Andrew Tate (whichever one that it's likely to be) then I think that they would've committed another criminal offense instead.

Damaged kids is always a sad scenario imo, but I would be looking at family members, Teachers, or Social Media Influencers maybe possibly teaching these kids dangerous ideology, and then they've taken it to the victim.

Originally Posted by Swan

So sad for the girl. My heart goes out to her.

This porn debate, and does it make men more violent towards women is such a complex subject. It's slightly reminiscent of the 80's BBFC/Whitehouse/Video Nasty debate - Does sexual violence on screen "inspire", usually young men, to commit rape, violent sexual assaults against women (and men)? I lean on the side of "no, on the whole, i don't think is does" but it's a matter of opinion. I certainly don't think film and video games inspire people to commit violent crimes, and unforgivable crimes like rape. But then, even at a young age we know films, TV, games, are acted/faked. But then so much of this porn is real, or at least presented as real.

I do tend to agree with Slim more on this subject though. I feel like when these horrendous things happen we try and seek out answers, because such awful acts are so hard to justify. I understand that. When the poor little James Bulger murder happened we blamed films. When some kid in the US got a gun and went on a shooting spree we blamed video games. When Columbine happened we blamed Marilyn Manson. These things happened all pre mainstream internet. And many more similar acts happened before internet was even a word in the dictionary. These kind of things unfortunately happen, always have, and sadly always will. I feel it's natural to look for justification, but we also need to accept some people are just evil. And some people are very mentally ill with little to no control over their actions.

Blaming media isn't the way forward.

The difference is that unlike the usual media blaming that goes on, such as with movies, TV and video games, this is not guesswork nor is it "blame culture" bluster.

The effect of pornograohy on male attitudes towards women and girls and the objectification of women and commoditisation of sex has been studied, extensively, and the negative effects have been shown to be huge and real. It's also been studied and extensively proven that the objectification of women and commoditisation of sex increases the risk of sexual assault and rape.

All I'm really seeing is people who don't like the facts because they want to continue to enjoy the porn.

And like I said before, if it's just that it's an acceptable trade-off for you, in order to to continue enjoying something that you enjoy then that's up to you - slim is correct, few things in this world come at zero moral cost.

But pretending that porn doesn't contribute to rape culture, sexual assault and other sexual violence is purely and simply lying to yourself. You're imagining that the majority of rapes are carried out by creepy predators attacking strangers on darkened nights. That's not the case. The majority of sexual violence is perpetrated by friends, boyfriends, workmates, and other close associates. Sexual violence within relationships is through the roof. Porn consumption is a major contributing factor. It just undebatably is... The work has been done, the results are in.

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Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The difference is that unlike the usual media blaming that goes on, such as with movies, TV and video games, this is not guesswork nor is it "blame culture" bluster.

The effect of pornograohy on male attitudes towards women and girls and the objectification of women and commoditisation of sex has been studied, extensively, and the negative effects have been shown to be huge and real. It's also been studied and extensively proven that the objectification of women and commoditisation of sex increases the risk of sexual assault and rape.

All I'm really seeing is people who don't like the facts because they want to continue to enjoy the porn.

And like I said before, if it's just that it's an acceptable trade-off for you, in order to to continue enjoying something that you enjoy then that's up to you - slim is correct, few things in this world come at zero moral cost.

But pretending that porn doesn't contribute to rape culture, sexual assault and other sexual violence is purely and simply lying to yourself. You're imagining that the majority of rapes are carried out by creepy predators attacking strangers on darkened nights. That's not the case. The majority of sexual violence is perpetrated by friends, boyfriends, workmates, and other close associates. Sexual violence within relationships is through the roof. Porn consumption is a major contributing factor. It just undebatably is... The work has been done, the results are in.

Again though, these people that are getting so Porn addicted in the first place, why? There's already something wrong in their life if they're taking everything that they're seeing in Porn as gospel, and basically develop parasocial relationships with the Pornstars in certain cases.

And honestly for me I don't care about Porn enough to defend it as a die hard fan of the industry, I just don't believe the studies that you're on about, because after all some of these studies will try to tell you that TV Shows and Movies will encourage violent behaviour.

Depending on who conducts these studies, the answer will be tailored to the main demographic that's following the study, and basically get told what they want to hear.

Like I remember Zizu a few weeks ago put up a link showing studies about how violence in Video Games increases anger in men, yet I've read other studies that have said that Video Games don't do anything like that.

In my view, if anyone is watching rape Porn, and thinks "oh that's a cool idea" then there's something already seriously wrong with the individual to begin with.

Like controversially, if a guy is willing to hear Andrew Tate out, he is already in a dark place.