[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't personally get Non-Binary, but it just doesn't really bother me that much.

Fair play if it does bother you though, as we all have things that bother us, and there should be no shame in that.

Especially with how weird today's society can be.

It doesn’t bother me per-se. I just don’t see it as something to get behind or have to understand. None of it’s based on anything that actually makes sense or has some tangibility to it. You’re either cis. male or female, trans. or intersex and that’s that. Nothing more to discuss.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Redway

It doesn’t bother me per-se. I just don’t see it as something to get behind or have to understand. None of it’s based on anything that actually makes sense or has some tangibility to it. You’re either cis. male or female, trans. or intersex and that’s that. Nothing more to discuss.

but you do agree that "trans" women should not be allowed in women's spaces nor compete against them in sports?

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but you do agree that "trans" women should not be allowed in women's spaces nor compete against them in sports?

I only agree about the sports thing. If people don’t like a trans.-woman using a women’s toilet, they should just deal with it.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Redway

I only agree about the sports thing. If people don’t like a trans.-woman using a women’s toilet, they should just deal with it.

"just deal with it" - that's a luxurious attitude to have when you're a man, casually giving away female spaces where women and girls are in vulnerable positions ie. in a state of undress. If you open the door to some men you are opening the door to all men, luckily for men it's not really that much of a concern

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"just deal with it" - that's luxurious attitude to have when you're a man, casually giving away female spaces where women and girls are in vulnerable positions ie. in a state of undress. If you open the door to some men you are opening the door to all men, luckily for men it's not really that much of a concern

But trans women are very different to men and there comes a point where using a urinal as one is counter-productive. I really have to agree that trans people should be able to use the designated toiletry spaces of the gender they’ve transitioned to, once they’ve transitioned.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Redway

But trans women are very different to men

That is not true

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Redway

But trans women are very different to men and there comes a point where using a urinal as one is counter-productive. I really have to agree that trans people should be able to use the designated toiletry spaces of the gender they’ve transitioned to, once they’ve transitioned.

What does once they've transitioned mean? Do you mean full surgery? And who would police that? The answer is no one can Police that and even if you could police that, you can't exactly demand people have surgery before they're allowed use the opposite sexes facilities therefore if you open the door to some men you're opening the door to all men. And I'm sorry but I'm putting women and girls right to safety and privacy over mens right to have their feelings validated

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

But trans women are very different to men and there comes a point where using a urinal as one is counter-productive. I really have to agree that trans people should be able to use the designated toiletry spaces of the gender they’ve transitioned to, once they’ve transitioned.

Absolute nonsense


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[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Redway

I only agree about the sports thing. If people don’t like a trans.-woman using a women’s toilet, they should just deal with it.

I personally think that a vote needs to be held to women in this country, on if they're comfortable with Transwomen using their bathroom.

And whatever the result ends up being, is the direction that we take going forward.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I personally think that a vote needs to be held to women in this country, on if they're comfortable with Transwomen using their bathroom.

And whatever the result ends up being, is the direction that we take going forward.

no woman wants a grown ass man in their toilet

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no woman wants a grown ass man in their toilet

Exactly and for so many reasons as well


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[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no woman wants a grown ass man in their toilet

And if that's true, the poll would show that.

It ends the discussion one way or the other.

[Urban Cragou]

Anyway. The fact that Channique Sterling-Brown is only 27. Chai.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Redway

It doesn’t bother me per-se. I just don’t see it as something to get behind or have to understand. None of it’s based on anything that actually makes sense or has some tangibility to it. You’re either cis. male or female, trans. or intersex and that’s that. Nothing more to discuss.

I personally do agree with you.

[Tinsel Toes]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I personally do agree with you.

Really ! i'm not cis and object strongly on being labelled that Thankyou

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Really ! i'm not cis and object strongly on being labelled that Thankyou

I don't really identify as cisgender either.

But I don't really care if other people see themselves that way.