[Crimson Dynamo]

Laurawoods and that Karen woman talking rubbish on TV. Both have no clue about men's football. F,CK off both of you and your woke paymasters

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Laurawoods and that Karen woman talking rubbish on TV. Both have no clue about men's football. F,CK off both of you and your woke paymasters

Karen Carney 150 international caps ( one airshot when she came on in SoccerAid) and an MBE for services to football !!


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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

England aren't beating the Netherlands if they can't break down Slovenia.

Unless a Blackburn beating Leicester 2-0 on the final day moment were to happen again, which I don't think that the Sport should be encouraged to do engineering like that for crap teams.

Far too good for the Dutch.

The tricky bit is over. Getting through the group. Now it's knock-out football and that's when the best teams know how to win, and the cream rises to the top.

You don't want to be hitting your peak until it matters.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Wow I've just checked and Slovenia haven't lost since November 2023!

9 games unbeaten including a win over Portugal

Was that win over Portugal in a friendly or Nations League? Because if so then it doesn't really count imo, as nobody really tries that hard in either one of those things.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Laurawoods and that Karen woman talking rubbish on TV. Both have no clue about men's football. F,CK off both of you and your woke paymasters

They're not as bad as Martin Keown who thought that Mbappe was fouled in the penalty area in the earlier match.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Far too good for the Dutch.

The tricky bit is over. Getting through the group. Now it's knock-out football and that's when the best teams know how to win, and the cream rises to the top.

You don't want to be hitting your peak until it matters.

I will call the Sport's integrity into question if England were to beat Netherlands.

If you apparently can't beat Slovenia then you can't beat a team that's significantly better than Slovenia.

Especially when the England team is clearly taking their personal issues with Southgate out on the fans with these underwhelming results.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I will call the Sport's integrity into question if England were to beat Netherlands.

If you apparently can't beat Slovenia then you can't beat a team that's significantly better than Slovenia.

Don't understand your problem. We're going strong in this tournament so far and we're only half way through.

The group stages are always difficult to navigate through, because it's early in tournament and everyone's playing from an even off. Those lesser teams are all enthusiastic and full of energy because this is their big chance to prove themselves on the big stage And the bigger teams also need to get some games and results under their belt before they hit their A game..

Come back to me when we get beat, because so far, we haven't.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Don't understand your problem. We're going strong in this tournament so far and we're only half way through.

The group stages are always difficult to navigate through, because it's early in tournament and everyone's playing from an even off. Those lesser teams are all enthusiastic and full of energy because this is their big chance to prove themselves on the big stage And the bigger teams also need to get some games and results under their belt before they hit their A game..

Come back to me when we get beat, because so far, we haven't.

We have failed to beat one of the weakest teams in the tournament, and a couple of games before that we barely beat another one of the weakest teams in the tournament.

A pattern is forming for England, where as Netherlands are going toe to toe with a really good Austria side, and let's be honest... They were robbed of the goal against France.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

We have failed to beat one of the weakest teams in the tournament, and a couple of games before that we barely beat another one of the weakest teams in the tournament.

A pattern is forming for England, where as Netherlands are going toe to toe with a really good Austria side, and let's be honest... They were robbed of the goal against France.

But if we win the final (which we're still in with a chance of doing, because we're still in the race) Then you won't care about this result or performance.

That is over. And we've done what's been required to do so far, so tonight means nothing now, it's in the past.

Be positive as we go on to the next game. Sunday is a different day

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

But if we win the final (which we're still in with a chance of doing, because we're still in the race) Then you won't care about this result or performance.

That is over. And we've done what's been required to do so far, so tonight means nothing now, it's in the past.

Be positive as we go on to the next game. Sunday is a different day

Football is all about momentum/form, and we can't beat Slovenia, how do you expect us to then beat Netherlands, France, Austria, Spain, Italy, or Portugal?

[Zizu]

How has Southgate ruined England’s front 4 who got 165 G/A last season.


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[Zizu]

So in three games he’s made just one change in the starting lineups .,


Thats one change and that was a failure ( Gallagher today)


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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Football is all about momentum/form, and we can't beat Slovenia, how do you expect us to then beat Netherlands, France, Austria, Spain, Italy, or Portugal?

Again, I don't see what your panic is?

You don't win the trophy after game 3. Football teams can't be at their brilliant best every single game. It's impossible. So far, they've done what they need to do and it's been a fairly comfortable journey through the first phase. We've never looked like we could be knocked out. We got an early victory. We picked up points in the next two.

Why are you scared of France? By your logic, France have been beat by one of the less fancied teams. We haven't been beat. We won our group in a canter. We haven't even got out of 2nd gear yet. This team has plenty more in it.

[arista]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Again, I don't see what your panic is?

You don't win the trophy after game 3. Football teams can't be at their brilliant best every single game. It's impossible. So far, they've done what they need to do and it's been a fairly comfortable journey through the first phase. We've never looked like we could be knocked out. We got an early victory. We picked up points in the next two.

Why are you scared of France? By your logic, France have been beat by one of the less fancied teams. We haven't been beat. We won our group in a canter. We haven't even got out of 2nd gear yet. This team has plenty more in it.

France were in a much harder group than England.

And England failed to beat Slovenia.

[Alf]

I've seen great England teams struggle to get out their group.

The 1990 World Cup team drew their first two games. Then got a lucky win in the third.

They scored a last minute extra time goal in the second round. They got battered in the quaters against Cameroon, but ended up scraping through with two penalties.

Then in the Semi-final, they probably should have won it and would have looked favourites to win the final. But we lost a penalty shoot-out.

International tournaments ain't a walk over. Every team wants to win. The team that times their run right will be in with a shot. You really want to be at your best in the semi-final and final. You just hope you can reach that stage. So far, we're still on track.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

I've seen great England teams struggle to get out their group.

The 1990 World Cup team drew their first two games. Then got a lucky win in the third.

They scored a last minute extra time goal in the second round. They got battered in the quaters against Cameroon, but ended up scraping through with two penalties.

Then in the Semi-final, they probably should have won it and would have looked favourites to win the final. But we lost a penalty shoot-out.

International tournaments ain't a walk over. Every team wants to win. The team that times their run right will be in with a shot. You really want to be at your best in the semi-final and final. You just hope you can reach that stage. So far, we're still on track.

I'm willing to bet two things about the 1990 World Cup team that's just not there for the current squad.

1. They were probably putting in effort, and just delivering better performances throughout the tournament, which any Football fan can respect.

And 2. They were probably struggling against much better teams than Slovenia.

What I saw last night would be the equivalent of Man Utd struggling against Birmingham City.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm willing to bet two things about the 1990 World Cup team that's just not there for the current squad.

1. They were probably putting in effort, and just delivering better performances throughout the tournament, which any Football fan can respect.

And 2. They were probably struggling against much better teams than Slovenia.

What I saw last night would be the equivalent of Man Utd struggling against Birmingham City.

Our players are putting in effort. If they wasn't, then they wouldn't be unbeaten, they'd be on their way home. Then you could feel disappointed.

I also would have liked a comfortable victory tonight. But it wasn't essential at this point, we were already through, technically. So I can see why the players were not out to do anything that would be a gamble for the rest of the tournament. They just did what they needed to do to progress in the tournament.

He had to play his first team because we wasn't sure if we were mathematical through, but those players won't be going full tilt with the chance of picking up cards and injuries. They just made sure they got through by getting the result that was required.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Our players are putting in effort. If they wasn't, then they wouldn't be unbeaten, they'd be on their way home. Then you could feel disappointed.

I also would have liked a comfortable victory tonight. But it wasn't essential at this point, we were already through, technically. So I can see why the players were not out to do anything that would be a gamble for the rest of the tournament. They just did what they needed to do to progress in the tournament.

He had to play his first team because we wasn't sure if we were mathematical through, but those players won't be going full tilt with the chance of picking up cards and injuries. They just made sure they got through by getting the result that was required.

Putting in effort imo is beating the teams that you're meant to be the better team, and that's the bare minimum in my view.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Alf

Our players are putting in effort. If they wasn't, then they wouldn't be unbeaten, they'd be on their way home. Then you could feel disappointed.

I also would have liked a comfortable victory tonight. But it wasn't essential at this point, we were already through, technically. So I can see why the players were not out to do anything that would be a gamble for the rest of the tournament. They just did what they needed to do to progress in the tournament.

He had to play his first team because we wasn't sure if we were mathematical through, but those players won't be going full tilt with the chance of picking up cards and injuries. They just made sure they got through by getting the result that was required.

We WERE through the moment Spain beat Albania the night before !!

It was a basically a free hit .. just better to top the table to avoid other table topping teams .. but then France finished THIRD so that theory was flawed .

Given how useless and leggy they all looked against Denmark he should’ve played 10 reserves to see what they can do under this type of pressure


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

In my view Palmer has to start over Saka ( who is unrecognisable) , Mainoo or Wharton instead of Gallagher and Eze or Gordon over Foden down the left


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agree with all that, at least if they get beaten then the team will have given it a good go

[MTVN]

Still buzzing this morning after topping the group last night

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Still buzzing this morning after topping the group last night

Wish I shared your enthusiasm


Football for me is all about special moments and highlights but in our case we have Bellingham’s goal plus his first 30 minutes of the opening game ..and possibly all of Palmer’s passes and link up play when he came on for ten minutes last night


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

agree with all that, at least if they get beaten then the team will have given it a good go

Foden is supposedly this generational talent yet once again he flattered to deceive and his forward passes were going astray again ( the majority of his passes went back backwards)

In contrast Palmer’s passes were accurate and incisive AND forward .

Drop Foden and play Gordon ( who I don’t care for but we didn’t bring Grealish) or move Bellingham alongside Rice and move Goden to the number 10 slot ( Gordon on the left)

Drop Saka ( who looks exhausted) and play Palmer .

Last night I would have rested Bellingham and Rice but replaced them with Wharton and Mainoo


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Wish I shared your enthusiasm


Football for me is all about special moments and highlights but in our case we have Bellingham’s goal plus his first 30 minutes of the opening game ..and possibly all of Palmer’s passes and link up play when he came on for ten minutes last night


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I loved it when Palmer passed straight to the Slovenian goalkeeper.