[bots]

latest polls show tories getting 100-120 seats, so the range has narrowed a lot for some reason and it's feasible that lib dems become the opposition.

It's looking like labour will be the largest party in Scotland.

It's going to look really weird in the HoC with 400+ labour on one side and 200 opposition mps on the other side

there are 15 cabinet seats at risk now

[GoldHeart]

I didn't vote

[arista]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't vote

Apathy
is around this year.


Ed Davey made a mega effort
to help you,

[joeysteele]

Whatever else may happen in Scotland and I've never had a problem with the SNP leading in Scotland.
In fact I'd have welcomed previously a Labour/ SNP coalition at Westminster
There's virtually NO Party that hasn't had scandals of something or other.

One thing I'd love to see in this election and that is the SNP beating that awful Andrew Bowie in Aberdeenshire West and Kincardine.
He really for some reason gets right on my.nerves and infuriates me.

So Id love to see him out, beaten by the SNP this time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

voted!

place was empty and looking at the sheets the chap had it looked like around 10% had voted so far

Most people have jobs to be fair and can't go in the middle of the afternoon.

[joeysteele]

It could be a poor turnout.

Maybe not as low as 2001 when under 60% turned out.
Then only around 61% in 2005 too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel arrives to vote

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Whatever else may happen in Scotland and I've never had a problem with the SNP leading in Scotland.
In fact I'd have welcomed previously a Labour/ SNP coalition at Westminster
There's virtually NO Party that hasn't had scandals of something or other.

One thing I'd love to see in this election and that is the SNP beating that awful Andrew Bowie in Aberdeenshire West and Kincardine.
He really for some reason gets right on my.nerves and infuriates me.

So Id love to see him out, beaten by the SNP this time.

I'm still stuck on knowing where to stand.

A good representation of Scottish Nationalism is important for Scotland, even if it's not for independence, that buffer of... err... "Scotland First" has been a life-saver on many issues north of the border.

However, I do think the emboldened SNP need reigned in a little for obvious reasons.

What I can't decide is whether it's better to have:

1) A non-SNP Scottish branch of Labour in Holyrood, with a strong SNP presence down in London.

or

2) SNP still dominating in Edinburgh but a reduced SNP (and increased Scottish Labour) presence in London.


I'm leaning slightly towards option 2 because with (presumably, lol who knows) a Labour Westminster government... Scottish Labour MP's stirring the pot down on London with same-party colleagues might be better than the "loudness" of 40+ SNP seats.

I'd also be wary of too many Labour (or really, too many non-SNP) MSP's in Edinburgh because Labour controlling both is inevitably going to result in a weakness when it comes to the possibility of Scottish decisions slowly shuffling south.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'm still stuck on knowing where to stand.

A good representation of Scottish Nationalism is important for Scotland, even if it's not for independence, that buffer of... err... "Scotland First" has been a life-saver on many issues north of the border.

However, I do think the emboldened SNP need reigned in a little for obvious reasons.

What I can't decide is whether it's better to have:

1) A non-SNP Scottish branch of Labour in Holyrood, with a strong SNP presence down in London.

or

2) SNP still dominating in Edinburgh but a reduced SNP (and increased Scottish Labour) presence in London.


I'm leaning slightly towards option 2 because with (presumably, lol who knows) a Labour Westminster government... Scottish Labour MP's stirring the pot down on London with same-party colleagues might be better than the "loudness" of 40+ SNP seats.

I'd also be wary of too many Labour (or really, too many non-SNP) MSP's in Edinburgh because Labour controlling both is inevitably going to result in a weakness when it comes to the possibility of Scottish decisions slowly shuffling south.

The more scottish labour mp's there are, the more cabinet posts they are likely to fill. Much more power than the rowdy SNP in the corner

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'm still stuck on knowing where to stand.

A good representation of Scottish Nationalism is important for Scotland, even if it's not for independence, that buffer of... err... "Scotland First" has been a life-saver on many issues north of the border.

However, I do think the emboldened SNP need reigned in a little for obvious reasons.

What I can't decide is whether it's better to have:

1) A non-SNP Scottish branch of Labour in Holyrood, with a strong SNP presence down in London.

or

2) SNP still dominating in Edinburgh but a reduced SNP (and increased Scottish Labour) presence in London.


I'm leaning slightly towards option 2 because with (presumably, lol who knows) a Labour Westminster government... Scottish Labour MP's stirring the pot down on London with same-party colleagues might be better than the "loudness" of 40+ SNP seats.

I'd also be wary of too many Labour (or really, too many non-SNP) MSP's in Edinburgh because Labour controlling both is inevitably going to result in a weakness when it comes to the possibility of Scottish decisions slowly shuffling south.

I'd never advise but I think you're looking at the more appropriate option.

I don't think the SNP have been bad in Holyrood.
If I was in Scotland then I could be persuaded by them to support them.

Westminster as you say, especially IF Labour win and as yet we don't know if it could be a moderate or big majority IF they do win.
So Labour MPs from Scotland would more likely get better for Scotland than SNP ones at Westminster.

I wish you good luck in whatever you decide SB.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The more scottish labour mp's there are, the more cabinet posts they are likely to fill. Much more power than the rowdy SNP in the corner

I just couldnt vote labour now after the blood scandal cover up. Dont know how anyone could.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I just couldnt vote labour now after the blood scandal cover up. Dont know how anyone could.

Valid Point

[bots]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I just couldnt vote labour now after the blood scandal cover up. Dont know how anyone could.

i just can't bring myself to vote for any party, i was in the same position at the last election.

[arista]

['I'm still stuck on knowing where to stand.]

Yes, Scotland,
complex haggis

[MTVN]

Remember when the SNP said they wanted to treat the next general election as a referendum on independence gone a bit quieter on that front now

[arista]

Sad Talk TV on You Tube
not bothering to do Live Reporting Overnight


Unlike Far Better
GBnewsHD on UK TV who have Live debates overnight
9:55PM


Times Radio Free online & DAB has Andrew Neil
working overnight, for a change
and they now have Nina Da Santos as their new
Europe Editor (she was working on CNN)

[Swan]

Good little video explaining what a joke our political field is in this country, on every side.

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jeremy Corbyn
@Jeremycorbyn

Today, Palestine is on the ballot.

If you re-elect me as an Independent MP in Islington North, I promise to always stand
up for the people of Gaza, and for the only path to a just and lasting peace: an end to
the occupation of Palestine.

https://x.com/mishtal/status/1808879084425924697

No it isn't m8

deluded old fool

[bots]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Swan

Good little video explaining what a joke our political field is in this country, on every side.

Youtube video

You mean Vote LibDem?

Who so much of Ed Milliband
it is Starmer Vs Sunak
not Ed


Not a Good Video At all
Swan.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by arista

You mean Vote LibDem?

Who so much of Ed Milliband
it is Starmer Vs Sunak


Not a Good Video At all
Swan.

Stay in the centre and you won't ever be disappointed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Swan

Stay in the centre and you won't ever be disappointed

Lib Dems
not taking power


Thats a loser

[Swan]

Originally Posted by arista

Lib Dems
not taking power


Thats a loser

I know they're not, they never will. But they would be better than the Tories and Labour imo

[bots]

Arguably, the lib dems are more left wing than labour these days

[arista]

Originally Posted by Swan

I know they're not, they never will. But they would be better than the Tories and Labour imo

One good thing about you,
you voted.


That is better than many who refuse to vote.