[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Wrong I’ve agreed with some Tory views I also agree with some labour views
I don’t defend anyone if I don’t agree same I don’t run with the crowd on here

You don’t understand scum bags have taken an opportunity to fight and cause criminal damage

Did the2011 riots start because a drug dealer got shot by the police

People standing and watching these animals fight the police makes the so called decent people just as bad

there is no crowd to run with on here ....give your head a wobble, we are all grown adults with families and jobs we dont need to align ourselves with anyone to feel good about ourselves, that is all in your head

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Whatever politic views ,whether you're left wing or right wing.... inciting violence and justifying weapons ,and destroying businesses & shops is despicable behaviour.

This!

Sometimes there's just a basic right and wrong, and these riots are wrong regardless of who is causing it.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

there is no crowd to run with on here ....give your head a wobble, we are all grown adults with families and jobs we dont need to align ourselves with anyone to feel good about ourselves, that is all in your head

"TiBB isn't tribalised" is one of the wildest takes I've seen on here Cherie, and that's saying something . Just a collection of free-thinking adults with no agenda whatsoever, simple intellectual curiosity, pondering the world here in TiBB SD's.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"TiBB isn't tribalised" is one of the wildest takes I've seen on here Cherie, and that's saying something . Just a collection of free-thinking adults with no agenda whatsoever, simple intellectual curiosity, pondering the world here in TiBB SD's.

all in your head mate, sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I dont, is that tribal? Obviously people will have similar political leanings, there are only so many political views to go around so people will end up agreeing or disagreeing..again if you want to call that Tribal be my guest

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No, but seeing pictures with people holding Union Jacks whilst also taking on Police Officers is violent.

Some were wearing Carhartt jeans

Are Carhartt jeans violent?

and are baseball caps violent as most have them on?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The prime minister of Bangladesh has resigned and fled the country following a revolt from
citizens and sustained mass riots for weeks.

Police killed nearly 300 people since the riots broke out in Dhaka.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The prime minister of Bangladesh has resigned and fled the country following a revolt from
citizens and sustained mass riots for weeks.

Police killed nearly 300 people since the riots broke out in Dhaka.

Yes LT.

Was a Terrible PM


Bangladesh problem.

[A motorcycle is set on fire at the
campus of University of Dhaka
amid the protests]

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

all in your head mate, sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I dont, is that tribal? Obviously people will have similar political leanings, there are only so many political views to go around so people will end up agreeing or disagreeing..again if you want to call that Tribal be my guest

"Issues consistently being discussed along the lines of political leanings rather than an objective non-political consideration of the issue without prejudice" is a longwinded description of exactly what tribalism is. This is a casual, tribalised political discussion forum, not an academic one. We can all admit at least that, surely.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Some were wearing Carhartt jeans

Are Carhartt jeans violent?

and are baseball caps violent as most have them on?

A flag being used for violent protests can get tarnished and associated with that event, it wouldn't be the first time that's happened to a flag.

I am defending people's right to be able to have a Union Jack flag, but these idiots aren't helping those of us that are Pro-Union Jack when they bring it to violent demonstrations.

[Beso]

A few weeks ago wearing the st George's cross and an england top were seen as patriotic.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

A few weeks ago wearing the st George's cross and an england top were seen as patriotic.

Who's mentioned St George's Cross?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Who's mentioned St George's Cross?

Me..

Your issue is?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"Issues consistently being discussed along the lines of political leanings rather than an objective non-political consideration of the issue without prejudice" is a longwinded description of exactly what tribalism is. This is a casual, tribalised political discussion forum, not an academic one. We can all admit at least that, surely.

so whose tribe are you in let me guess you are a lone ranger

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Me..

Your issue is?

I'm sorry.

I thought that it was in response to another post on here, I just wanted to make sure.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so whose tribe are you in let me guess you are a lone ranger

Oh no on here I flip and flop, but 90%+ of the time I fully admittedly engage in a tribalised manner. I'm capable of far better, and I know that LOTS of people on this forum are just as capable, I've always thought there are plenty of people on this forum who could have great discussions. But we don't. Not often. I'm not pretending I don't lean into that as well but I've been here long enough to know that the dream of anything else is a complete non-starter... and that's fine I guess. I mind even less now that my work means I'm in constant conversations with people being mindful and considerate. Nice to have a little spice occasionally, if anything.

I'd just prefer it if it didn't have to descend into actual extremism and radicalised dogwhistling.

I appreciate not always having to mind P's and Q's, I appreciate fairly low-moderation environment and a bit of a scrap, but I also think it's clearly slipped (not a small way) in a certain direction at this point.

There's been a conscious decision made somewhere, at some point, behind closed doors to let it do that, that hasn't been discussed and they flat out refuse to discuss. It's a touch strange, let's be honest.

[bots]

Any symbol can be used to promote a riot and the far right do use the english flag on numerous occasions. It's not like it's something new

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Any symbol can be used to promote a riot and the far right do use the english flag on numerous occasions. It's not like it's something new

The English flag unfortunately was hijacked by the EDL-and-similar decades ago... it's genuinely a shame to see the Union Jack now going the same way. Because the thing about symbolism is that you don't get to choose what it symbolises, and it does matter... once that association is there, it's very hard (if not impossible) to undo it.

[Quantum Boy]

One thing that tickles me a little, is the social media trend towards using the Union Jack imagery alongside "sleeping lions" as a call to arms for these riots.

The irony of lions not being native to Britain whatsoever is apparently lost on them .

I even saw one person on TikTok comments boldly stating, "NOT TRUE Britain had the Cave Lion".

It went extinct 40,000 years ago the streeeetching.

[joeysteele]

It's actually the Police who have at first originally termed the rioters as mainly of the far right
With EDL leaflet in place too..

Since the Police are the ones in the front line, getting bricks and other objects hurled at them on a daily basis, plus the Police who are arresting the rioters so will know more than us watching on the TV

I'll go with the Police description of where this is from in the main, than anyone else's.
Plus it's the Police who will be informing the government of any of its findings too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Following 10,000 arrests in the USA following disgraceful riots and looting far far worse than what has happened here...

-------

Sir Keir Starmer has urged Boris Johnson to challenge Donald Trump to
"respect human rights" following widespread protests in the United States
over the death of George Floyd.

In a letter to the prime minister, the Labour leader said there was a "moral
obligation" to speak out and the UK must show it was "ready to stand
together with those who seek to tackle the injustice and inequality that
remains within all our societies".

His comments come amid an outcry over the US president's incendiary
response to the protests raging across the US after the death of Mr Floyd, an
unarmed black man, at the hands of a white police officer.

Mr Trump has reacted in fury to the widespread unrest, tweeting that "looting
means shooting" and threatening protesters outside the White House with
the "most vicious dogs and most ominous weapons I have ever seen".

Sir Keir wrote: "In the House of Commons yesterday, I raised my shock and
anger at the killing of George Floyd and the response of US authorities to the
peaceful protests.

"This has shone a spotlight on the racism, discrimination and injustice
experienced by those from black and minority ethnic communities in the US
and across the world.

"I welcome that you shared some of the concerns I raised with you and want
to use this opportunity to explore what the British government is doing to
urge the United States and President Trump to respect human rights and the
fundamental democratic right to peaceful protest.

"I am sure that you share my strongly held belief that the UK has a moral
obligation to speak out in defence of these values, no matter where in the
world they are challenged."

He pressed the prime minister on whether the government had raised
concerns about about the reaction of US authorities to peaceful protests, and
how he was planning to emphasise the importance of a "peaceful and
proportionate" response to the protests.

Sir Keir also asked what the government was doing to ensure the UK exports
"are not being used in the suppression of democratic rights" following
growing calls for ministers to end the sale of riot gear and rubber bullets to
the US.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9549281.html

[Beso]

We need to get rid of the lions and use the badger, so we can all come together as one to rid us all of the parasitic establishment.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The English flag unfortunately was hijacked by the EDL-and-similar decades ago... it's genuinely a shame to see the Union Jack now going the same way. Because the thing about symbolism is that you don't get to choose what it symbolises, and it does matter... once that association is there, it's very hard (if not impossible) to undo it.

the most obvious recent example was the hamas hand glider image

[Beso]

When the white lower classes sing rule Britannia supporting England they are racists.

When the upper classes sing it at last night of the proms it's not seen as racist.


Just a thought.

[Beso]

Left wing trouble...infiltrated by right wing agitators!

Right wing trouble...no, not even 1 suggestion of left wing agitators like antifa.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Following 10,000 arrests in the USA following disgraceful riots and looting far far worse than what has happened here...

-------

Sir Keir Starmer has urged Boris Johnson to challenge Donald Trump to
"respect human rights" following widespread protests in the United States
over the death of George Floyd.

In a letter to the prime minister, the Labour leader said there was a "moral
obligation" to speak out and the UK must show it was "ready to stand
together with those who seek to tackle the injustice and inequality that
remains within all our societies".

His comments come amid an outcry over the US president's incendiary
response to the protests raging across the US after the death of Mr Floyd, an
unarmed black man, at the hands of a white police officer.

Mr Trump has reacted in fury to the widespread unrest, tweeting that "looting
means shooting" and threatening protesters outside the White House with
the "most vicious dogs and most ominous weapons I have ever seen".

Sir Keir wrote: "In the House of Commons yesterday, I raised my shock and
anger at the killing of George Floyd and the response of US authorities to the
peaceful protests.

"This has shone a spotlight on the racism, discrimination and injustice
experienced by those from black and minority ethnic communities in the US
and across the world.

"I welcome that you shared some of the concerns I raised with you and want
to use this opportunity to explore what the British government is doing to
urge the United States and President Trump to respect human rights and the
fundamental democratic right to peaceful protest.

"I am sure that you share my strongly held belief that the UK has a moral
obligation to speak out in defence of these values, no matter where in the
world they are challenged."

He pressed the prime minister on whether the government had raised
concerns about about the reaction of US authorities to peaceful protests, and
how he was planning to emphasise the importance of a "peaceful and
proportionate" response to the protests.

Sir Keir also asked what the government was doing to ensure the UK exports
"are not being used in the suppression of democratic rights" following
growing calls for ministers to end the sale of riot gear and rubber bullets to
the US.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9549281.html

Yes Back in 2020


LT you can add the Date of something
it would not hurt you