[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You mustn’t get out much


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Go to specsavers my dear

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The Cyclists in the picture look butch imo

FFS guys, I'm starting to suspect you think women pop into existence wearing a full face of make-up . They don't look like your stereotypical expectations of what a female should look like because they're cycling in the olympics, wearing cycling helmets, sports bras and no lippy. They're more muscular than most women because they're athletes competing in the olympics who have been training for years. They're not on their way to a night out.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

FFS guys, I'm starting to suspect you think women pop into existence wearing a full face of make-up . They don't look like your stereotypical expectations of what a female should look like because they're cycling in the olympics, wearing cycling helmets, sports bras and no lippy. They're more muscular than most women because they're athletes competing in the olympics who have been training for years. They're not on their way to a night out.

I have no issues with it personally, in fact I respect their commitment to their Sport.

I'm just also agreeing with Zizu that they're not very feminine looking, because tbf they're not even trying to be.

I would prefer a GB athlete to look like Susan Boyle and get us a gold medal, than to look like Margot Robbie and get us no medal at all.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

FFS guys, I'm starting to suspect you think women pop into existence wearing a full face of make-up . They don't look like your stereotypical expectations of what a female should look like because they're cycling in the olympics, wearing cycling helmets, sports bras and no lippy. They're more muscular than most women because they're athletes competing in the olympics who have been training for years. They're not on their way to a night out.

You would expect female athletes to at least look ‘slightly’ feminine overall though , surely


I was watching the road race presuming they were blokes ..

That isn’t something that happened in previous games .,

It’s more noticeable this time across all sports

Its basically reflecting society maybe ?

Walking down our high streets it’s fairly common to see young women who are comfortable/confident in looking boyish

Often I’m left wondering ..

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing as it doesn’t effect me at all of course


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I have no issues with it personally, in fact I respect their commitment to their Sport.

I'm just also agreeing with Zizu that they're not very feminine looking, because tbf they're not even trying to be.

I would prefer a GB athlete to look like Susan Boyle and get us a gold medal, than to look like Margot Robbie and get us no medal at all.

Na

Give me Margot Robbie lookalikes all day

Sod the medal count




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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Na

Give me Margot Robbie lookalikes all day

Sod the medal count




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You'd prefer us to do ****?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I would prefer a GB athlete to look like Susan Boyle and get us a gold medal, than to look like Margot Robbie and get us no medal at all.

I mean Susan Boyle is 63 so that might be slightly ambitious.

I do genuinely think this has all raised a bit of an issue though, people (with an agenda) are going to be looking at every female athlete and saying "Is THAT one secretly a man " because yes, in a lot of sports, and in full sports gear, the women are going to be bigger/more muscular/more androgenous looking than what people are "used to" as the societal expectation of women.

It's one area where games/tv/movies also doesn't help with the expectation because they're usually going for aesthetic over realism. Take Tifa as a good example I guess - her clothes actually make sense given her fighting style... her HAIR on the other hand is wildly unrealistic and would be a disaster, and if they were going for any sort of realism, Tifa's hair would be either cropped short or tied up tight.

I can think of countless similar examples from both gaming and Hollywood but I do think it can skew expectations of "what women look like", and these days that quickly slides into "well, what it they're actually a man then".

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You would expect female athletes to at least look ‘slightly’ feminine overall though , surely


I was watching the road race presuming they were blokes ..

That isn’t something that happened in previous games .,

It’s more noticeable this time across all sports

Its basically reflecting society maybe ?

Walking down our high streets it’s fairly common to see young women who are comfortable/confident in looking boyish

Often I’m left wondering ..

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing as it doesn’t effect me at all of course


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They do look feminine. You said they look like teenage boys. I guess that's where the confusion lies.

Teenage boys in general, look slightly feminine.

What you're seeing perhaps, is women feeling less inclined to bow to the social pressure of "making sure they look feminine" and content to just look however they look, while engaging in a sport.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I mean Susan Boyle is 63 so that might be slightly ambitious.

I do genuinely think this has all raised a bit of an issue though, people (with an agenda) are going to be looking at every female athlete and saying "Is THAT one secretly a man " because yes, in a lot of sports, and in full sports gear, the women are going to be bigger/more muscular/more androgenous looking than what people are "used to" as the societal expectation of women.

It's one area where games/tv/movies also doesn't help with the expectation because they're usually going for aesthetic over realism. Take Tifa as a good example I guess - her clothes actually make sense given her fighting style... her HAIR on the other hand is wildly unrealistic and would be a disaster, and if they were going for any sort of realism, Tifa's hair would be either cropped short or tied up tight.

I can think of countless similar examples from both gaming and Hollywood but I do think it can skew expectations of "what women look like", and these days that quickly slides into "well, what it they're actually a man then".

No offense to modern Hollywood, but a lot of the men and women coming from that industry these days can look scary as ****.

Unless of course they take from Australia or Israel it seems.

I agree with you on Tifa's realism btw.

But I wouldn't have Tifa's look be any different.

[Zizu]

This is what we want ..

https://youtube.com/shorts/cuiz6iZ6V...g0tpu6mVe5siyk

Youtube video

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No offense to modern Hollywood, but a lot of the men and women coming from that industry these days can look scary as ****.

I do have to be fair and say it's "not just women" when it comes to Hollywood (or games, for that matter) - unrealistic body standards are rife, all of the big Hollywood guys are juicing (steroids and testosterone) and a lot of game characters are designed with that same look as well. No one can look like that without ... erm ... "chemical enhancement". Worth noting I think that the male olympic athletes also don't look like Thor...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

This is what we want ..

https://youtube.com/shorts/cuiz6iZ6V...g0tpu6mVe5siyk

Youtube video

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Gross and objectifying as ever Zizu it's good to see you really leaning into it these days.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Gross and objectifying as ever Zizu it's good to see you really leaning into it these days.

Ta


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I do have to be fair and say it's "not just women" when it comes to Hollywood (or games, for that matter) - unrealistic body standards are rife, all of the big Hollywood guys are juicing (steroids and testosterone) and a lot of game characters are designed with that same look as well. No one can look like that without ... erm ... "chemical enhancement". Worth noting I think that the male olympic athletes also don't look like Thor...

I would say that a lot of Hollywood Actors these days are unattractive imo, I mean yeah they're still more attractive than people like myself, Wayne Rooney, and Susan Boyle, and probably the odd other person.

But I can honestly count on my one hand genuinely attractive people in Hollywood at the moment, that hasn't been in the industry for decades at this point.

Tbh the western world likes to promote unattractive people these days, again it's not the end of the world, but it's something that I have definitely noticed.

I mean I'll probably get an Aftershave Advert soon with Wayne Rooney and Steve Cooper.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

This is what we want ..

https://youtube.com/shorts/cuiz6iZ6V...g0tpu6mVe5siyk

Youtube video

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She didn't win the event though.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

She didn't win the event though.

She’s always happy and makes everyones day though


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

She’s always happy and makes everyones day though


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I'm gathering that she makes your day.

Tbf though, there's nothing wrong with fancying her tbh.

We all have people that we fancy, god I've really fancied Reality TV contestants in the past, and that's definitely sad.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I would say that a lot of Hollywood Actors these days are unattractive imo, I mean yeah they're still more attractive than people like myself, Wayne Rooney, and Susan Boyle, and probably the odd other person.

But I can honestly count on my one hand genuinely attractive people in Hollywood at the moment, that hasn't been in the industry for decades at this point.

Tbh the western world likes to promote unattractive people these days, again it's not the end of the world, but it's something that I have definitely noticed.

I mean I'll probably get an Aftershave Advert soon with Wayne Rooney and Steve Cooper.

I wouldn't say I necessarily agree, more that there aren't many "up and comers" at all in Hollywood or the entertainment industry in general at the moment. The industry is in a very strange place at the moment.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

god I've really fancied Reality TV contestants in the past, and that's definitely sad.

I would say it's more normal if anything, attraction to people isn't just about what they look like and with reality telly you get more of an idea of "who someone is" as an actual person not just them physically.

Have to say I'm pretty much 100% like that with attraction in general, if you show me a picture of someone and say "is this person attractive" my usual thought is "I don't know I haven't seen them say or do anything". Likewise, with scripted media I can tell you if I find a character attractive - I have no idea if I think the actor is attractive though, unless I've seen them give interviews, etc... and sometimes the answer is yes to the character, no to the actor, or vice versa.

I think there's a name for it somewhere on the LGBTQ identity spectrum but I don't remember what that is .

[Crimson Dynamo]

��HAPPENING NOW��

The International Boxing Association is holding a press conference in Paris to address the issues surrounding Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Taiwanese boxer Lin Yu-Ting.

Highlights so far:

*Both boxers were initially subjected to a chromosomal test by an independent laboratory in Istanbul after the IBA received complaints from coaches and competitors during the 2022 Women's World Boxing Championships.

*Both boxers were re-tested in India again during the 2023 Women's World Boxing Championships to clarify and confirm prior results.

*Both boxers were found to have XY chromosomes.

*Both boxers were informed of the results of the tests in writing.

*Both boxers were given the opportunity to appeal the findings to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

*The IBA offered to pay for the majority of the costs to allow both boxers to appeal.

*Lin Yu-Ting did not appeal the decision.

*Imane Khelif appealed the decision, and then withdrew the appeal.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

��HAPPENING NOW��

The International Boxing Association is holding a press conference in Paris to address the issues surrounding Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Taiwanese boxer Lin Yu-Ting.

Highlights so far:

*Both boxers were initially subjected to a chromosomal test by an independent laboratory in Istanbul after the IBA received complaints from coaches and competitors during the 2022 Women's World Boxing Championships.

*Both boxers were re-tested in India again during the 2023 Women's World Boxing Championships to clarify and confirm prior results.

*Both boxers were found to have XY chromosomes.

*Both boxers were informed of the results of the tests in writing.

*Both boxers were given the opportunity to appeal the findings to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

*The IBA offered to pay for the majority of the costs to allow both boxers to appeal.

*Lin Yu-Ting did not appeal the decision.

*Imane Khelif appealed the decision, and then withdrew the appeal.

so they are transwomen after all


and they keep denying and lying about this, VILE


kick both men out of the tournament i say but the woke IOC won't do that of course

[Niamh.]

They're not trans Nicky, they have a DSD, I'm not sure anyone was ever disputing that?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

��HAPPENING NOW��

The International Boxing Association is holding a press conference in Paris to address the issues surrounding Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Taiwanese boxer Lin Yu-Ting.

Highlights so far:

*Both boxers were initially subjected to a chromosomal test by an independent laboratory in Istanbul after the IBA received complaints from coaches and competitors during the 2022 Women's World Boxing Championships.

*Both boxers were re-tested in India again during the 2023 Women's World Boxing Championships to clarify and confirm prior results.

*Both boxers were found to have XY chromosomes.

*Both boxers were informed of the results of the tests in writing.

*Both boxers were given the opportunity to appeal the findings to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

*The IBA offered to pay for the majority of the costs to allow both boxers to appeal.

*Lin Yu-Ting did not appeal the decision.

*Imane Khelif appealed the decision, and then withdrew the appeal.

Old news that turns out to be fake news

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

��HAPPENING NOW��

The International Boxing Association is holding a press conference in Paris to address the issues surrounding Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Taiwanese boxer Lin Yu-Ting.

Highlights so far:

*Both boxers were initially subjected to a chromosomal test by an independent laboratory in Istanbul after the IBA received complaints from coaches and competitors during the 2022 Women's World Boxing Championships.

*Both boxers were re-tested in India again during the 2023 Women's World Boxing Championships to clarify and confirm prior results.

*Both boxers were found to have XY chromosomes.

*Both boxers were informed of the results of the tests in writing.

*Both boxers were given the opportunity to appeal the findings to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

*The IBA offered to pay for the majority of the costs to allow both boxers to appeal.

*Lin Yu-Ting did not appeal the decision.

*Imane Khelif appealed the decision, and then withdrew the appeal.

Both have XY chromosomes … ‘generally’ meaning they were born male - you can see why everyone is either up in arms or just simply confused







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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Both have XY chromosomes … ‘generally’ meaning they were born male - you can see why everyone is either up in arms or just simply confused








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Because real intersex conditions exist, which is why this is totally separate to (yet of course, overshadowed by) the "trans debate".

In short, people who are genetically male can be born with a vagina and may-or-may-not undergo male puberty (increased testosterone, increased muscle mass and bone density).

Its not a cut and dry issue at all, it's a very complicated one and it's unfortunate that the whole thing is now 100x more difficult because of the current issues around transgenderism (again, a totally different thing, though some may disagree even there).