[bots]

it really all depends on the environment. Will it be professional or seedy

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Fancying women in their twenties doesn't make these older men Nonces.

We'll agree to disagree there Mock; I think you're still (relatively?) young and that you realise that 50 year olds drooling over women in their 20's is not normal nor should it be socially acceptable, and I hope that the old gents on here arguing hard to the contrary doesn't give you the idea that it is normal. It is, in fact, normal to find people in your own age bracket more attractive than people young enough to be your own children.

But like I said I think you're still a relatively young man so it's not really possible to say how you'll see it when you're approaching middle age.

I hope for the best. Don't be like this lot .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

But the darts women aren't scantily clad, they have nice dresses on akin to a business meeting attire or something you would see on a saturday evening on strictly..

Business meeting attire!! Come on Parmy you're pulling our legs now surely .

They're dressed to show off their cleavage and legs; you do understand that, surely. And it's not even that there's anything wrong with that in itself. It's the reason for it, and the intended audience, that makes it an issue.

It is inherently seedy.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

We'll agree to disagree there Mock; I think you're still (relatively?) young and that you realise that 50 year olds drooling over women in their 20's is not normal nor should it be socially acceptable, and I hope that the old gents on here arguing hard to the contrary doesn't give you the idea that it is normal. It is, in fact, normal to find people in your own age bracket more attractive than people young enough to be your own children.

But like I said I think you're still a relatively young man so it's not really possible to say how you'll see it when you're approaching middle age.

I hope for the best. Don't be like this lot .

The majority of men find young women attractive. That doesn't need to be pervy and seedy like you are implying. Some might say it says more about you than it does about others. To suggest that that older men can't find young people attractive and interesting without lusting after them is insulting

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

The majority of men find young women attractive. That doesn't need to be pervy and seedy like you are implying. Some might say it says more about you than it does about others. To suggest that that older men can't find young people attractive and interesting without lusting after them is insulting

Are you genuinely suggesting that this is the purpose of darts walk-on girls? You cannot be. Surely.

If it "says more about me" that I never even slightly view 20 year olds as someone that I would have any non-platonic interest in whatsoever then I will gladly accept what it "says" about me, and I hope you're wrong that "most men" aren't looking at them with non-platonic attraction, but hey, I suspect you're probably right.

Which is grim. Grim.

[Liam-]

Christ alive, if infantilising grown women was an Olympic sport QB would take gold, this is actually some insanely infantile, teenage twitter sjw nonsense

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Christ alive, if infantilising grown women was an Olympic sport QB would take gold, this is actually some insanely infantile, teenage twitter sjw nonsense

It's not about infantilising anyone it's about people drooling over people young enough to be their children. But then, I recall you being fully accepting of 50 year old Philip Schofield grooming 16 year old boys "cos it's legal" so I'm not surprised you feel this way Liam.

It's also an aside because the dart "walk-on girls" would be exploitative, gross and misogynistic no matter what age the women were. It's just an additional level of slime that 60 year old men want it to be women in their late teens and early 20's. A similar slime to middle-aged-men wining and dining teenage boys, funnily enough.

[user104658]

Also not going unnoticed that the one time Liam is aligning with the older forum chaps - who he's usually out in full riot gear to combat - is when it's to defend male exploitation, objectification and commoditisation of women.

"lol".

Like I said, OnlyFans all over again.

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[MTVN]

Tbf you do keep hammering home the 'could be their children' point and called them nonces so that is a bit infantilising to equate it with paedophilia. Most walk on girls are probably mid to late 20s

Edit - in fact the ones in question here are mid 30s!

[Liam-]

You’re coming across really unhinged like you do around any subject of sex or women doing whatever they want to, you seem to have a massive problem with women living their lives however they want to, your vision of what women should be and what they should do perfectly align with the old sexist chaps and the likes of Tate you’re regularly railing against.

It’s incredibly condescending to tell adult women that they’re naive or being exploited if they chose to do a career you believe is immoral because you have an obscured sense of purity and morality

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Tbf you do keep hammering home the 'could be their children' point and called them nonces so that is a bit infantilising to equate it with paedophilia. Most walk on girls are probably mid to late 20s

Edit - in fact the ones in question here are mid 30s!

Comparing people to sex offenders because they find adult women attractive, it’s ****ing insane

[MTVN]

Daniella Allfree and Charlotte Wood are the two walk on girls who'll be doing this event. Google thinks they're 36 years old

[Liam-]

Don’t look at the 36 year old children! They’re being exploited!

[user104658]

"Being against the objectification and hypersexualisation of women is sexist! Saying that porn and prostitution is the prime example of objectification and commoditisation of women is actually denying them the right to choose a career!!!"

...shouted the fellowship of male TiBB members, in newly found harmony...

How the tables turn eh Liam . Don't worry, I was already aware that being a "SWERF" isn't au fait with the community.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Daniella Allfree and Charlotte Wood are the two walk on girls who'll be doing this event. Google thinks they're 36 years old

Originally Posted by MTVN

Most walk on girls are probably mid to late 20s

Edit - in fact the ones in question here are mid 30s!

Originally Posted by Liam-

Don’t look at the 36 year old children! They’re being exploited!

... Also feel free to continue to ignore the fact that I've already said it's not about age.

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

It's also an aside because the dart "walk-on girls" would be exploitative, gross and misogynistic no matter what age the women were. It's just an additional level of slime.

If it helps at all Liam, it's also not about gender; males being exploited and objectified is just as bad, and it does happen. It's just much, much, much more rare.

Funnily enough though...

...it is usually younger men being objectified and turned into a trading commodity...

......and it is usually older fellows doing the buying.

Free Market Capitalism at it's finest, you old Tory you

[Crimson Dynamo]

A thread where SB/TS/QB thought he could freely hate on white middle aged men (again) has turned into an expose of his hateful intolerance of well, just about anyone man and woman..

Its always the self-proclaimed "liberals" who end up being the actual bigots...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

A thread where SB/TS/QB thought he could freely hate on white middle aged men (again) has turned into an expose of his hateful intolerance of well, just about anyone man and woman..

Its always the self-proclaimed "liberals" who end up being the actual bigots...

No no it's still just the dirty old men

[edit] FFS I've just realised who you are under a new name I was hoping you were in one of Starmer's cells. Is that why you've gone incognito, or is it just 'cos of that thread where everyone said your old name sounded like a butt dildo?

[Liam-]

Yes, treating women who choose certain careers like they don’t have the agency of adult women to choose those careers because they’ve obviously been abused or manipulated into doing the careers by evil, exploitative men is sexist and demeans adults abilities to make their own decisions.

You seriously become quite deranged whenever you discuss these things, you’re always high and mighty about everything you post about, but this takes it to the next level

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yes, treating women who choose certain careers like they don’t have the agency of adult women to choose those careers because they’ve obviously been abused or manipulated into doing the careers by evil, exploitative men is sexist and demeans adults abilities to make their own decisions.

You seriously become quite deranged whenever you discuss these things, you’re always high and mighty about everything you post about, but this takes it to the next level

They're not all manipulated into doing it by dirty old men, they just wouldn't have anyone paying for it if the world wasn't full of dirty old men. What's hard to grasp about this, Liam?

[Liam-]

And unsurprisingly he ventures off into thinly veiled homophobia, like he does whenever he gets challenged on his opinions by gay men

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And unsurprisingly he ventures off into thinly veiled homophobia, like he does whenever he gets challenged on his opinions by gay men

WHERE is the homophobia . Is it because I pointed out that young male sex workers are usually paid for by old men, just like young female sex workers are usually paid for by old men. That is called a FACT Liam and has nothing to do with homophobia, it's purely pointing out that it's men doing the objectifying.

Feel free to call it misandry, which would be accurate. I'm actually saying that these old blokes are all the same, gay or straight. Not sure how that's homophobia but the lack of comprehension is par for the course so we'll let it slide eh.

[MTVN]

I'm actually pretty against porn and prostitution these days but I think it's pretty crude to draw an equivalence between that and this. Those two things do way more societal harm. I know it's being presented as a 'slippery slope' or 'thin end of the wedge' type thing but it that's the case then where does that wedge or slope begin? People are always going to be attracted to other people and there will always be industries which capitalise on that one way or another. It happens all throughout acting, singing, modelling etc.

[Liam-]

Men are all dirty, evil perverts (except for QB because he’s the perfect bastion or morality and sensibilities) and women are dainty, easily manipulated fairies who don’t know what they’re doing and should be protected from themselves if they do things that QB doesn’t agree with

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

No no it's still just the dirty old men

[edit] FFS I've just realised who you are under a new name I was hoping you were in one of Starmer's cells. Is that why you've gone incognito, or is it just 'cos of that thread where everyone said your old name sounded like a butt dildo?

yep, floundering around after being exposed

pathetic

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm actually pretty against porn and prostitution these days but I think it's pretty crude to draw an equivalence between that and this. I know it's being presented as a 'slippery slope' or 'thin end of the wedge' type thing but it that's the case then where does that wedge or slope begin? People are always going to be attracted to other people and there will always be industries which capitalise on that one way or another. It happens all throughout acting, singing, modelling etc.

It begins when it's gratuitously commoditised for money as the singular scope of what it is. Which this unambiguously is. Yes singers/actors/etc are sexualised and there's far more grey area there, because the sexualisation is being used to attract to the product, is isn't THE product in and of itself.

There is zero reason for the walk-on girls other than "to be looked at". They serve no purpose in darts. Zero. It literally is "extremely light porn". And it's not really about it being a slippery slope, more about insidious normalisation of mindset.

It's clear as day in this thread, and the defensiveness and frustration bursting out all over the place only serves to prove that.

People like their cummies, but they don't want to feel grubby about it.

Tough it's gross. Sex and sexiness is great. Find a partner. Heck, go out and have a series of flings - each to their own. Stop making it a product to ogle on telly/at sports matches/to outright pay for. It's not complicated at all.