[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Sorry what age are you 'smelly old gits', honestly you really haven't got a leg to stand on at this stage, women want to walk on stage promoting the sponsor wearing a dress, and gasp showing a bit of cleavage .... sorry Mr Victorian or should I call you Mr Burkah, but yeah its going to happen Walking around in a dress is not sex work....no matter how you twist it

Originally Posted by Liam-

The man who doesn’t think women have the agency to control their own body and do the careers they want to do calls everyone else misogynists

I'll just direct you both to the above post. I have no issue with the women who are making money from this. I just wish there was no money to make from it. You seem to be happy with a world full of the men who are paying ... ... except when you aren't on another topic? You don't get to pick and choose, if you want a world full of better men and by some miracle it happens, then there will be no walk on girls, and no OnlyFans, because no one will be reaching into their pockets whilst thinking with their dicks. It's really THAT simple.

And to say that the casual objectification of women (e.g. in this case, darts walk on girls) has "nothing to do with" the porn and prostitution industries, or to deny that those industries are rife with exploitation of (mostly) young (mostly) women? Come on. It's just objectively the reality of the situation.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'll just direct you both to the above post. I have no issue with the women who are making money from this. I just wish there was no money to make from it. You seem to be happy with a world full of the men who are paying ... ... except when you aren't on another topic? You don't get to pick and choose, if you want a world full of better men and by some miracle it happens, then there will be no walk on girls, and no OnlyFans, because no one will be reaching into their pockets whilst thinking with their dicks. It's really THAT simple.

And to say that the casual objectification of women (e.g. in this case, darts walk on girls) has "nothing to do with" the porn and prostitution industries, or to deny that those industries are rife with exploitation of (mostly) young (mostly) women? Come on. It's just objectively the reality of the situation.

Do you have any issue with women who perform on stage in skimpy outfits and open their legs during dance routines for example Beyonce?

[jet]

QB/TS, I don’t know what sort of company you keep, or what sports premises you hang around in to observe such behaviour but your description of men when attractive adult women appear is totally offensive to decent blokes everywhere.

slimey old geezers
smelly old gits
dirty old men
gross old pervs.
fat bastards drinking beer
sad gammons
gross, perving trogs.
hand in their pants
ogling sleazeballs.
letching nonces,

An adult man appreciating an adult woman’s attractiveness wherever they appear isn’t sleazy, it’s normal. It’s also normal to not sit there and fume about objectification, we just carry on with our day/evening, our lives. Nobody got hurt.
Sure, there are sleazeballs out there. Some. You either seem to know them all or your unhinged imagination is running away with you.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Most adults are exploited very day at work, some more than others....minimum wage ....poor working conditions, unhelpful management and on it goes

I agree with you, but I'm not sure what your point is? Everyone is exploited, so why should we worry about a bit more? I disagree fundamentally. I don't think wage-slavery exploitation is OK either but that's not what the thread is about.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Do you have any issue with women who perform on stage in skimpy outfits and open their legs during dance routines for example Beyonce?

I don't have an issue with the women who are darts walk on girls so the question is loaded. If the women on stage are dressing how they want to dress because they like it and feel good then that's great. If they're doing it to sell more records to men twice their age then I find it marginally depressing; but I doubt that's their core fanbase. Apparently there's still some confusion about who and what I have an issue with here; it's not women making money or women showing skin.

Originally Posted by jet

QB/TS, I don’t know what sort of company you keep, or what sports premises you hang around in to observe such behaviour but your description of men when attractive adult women appear is totally offensive to decent blokes everywhere.

slimey old geezers
smelly old gits
dirty old men
gross old pervs.
fat bastards drinking beer
sad gammons
gross, perving trogs.
hand in their pants
ogling sleazeballs.
letching nonces,

An adult man appreciating an adult woman’s attractiveness wherever they appear isn’t sleazy, it’s normal. It’s also normal to not sit there and fume about objectification, we just carry on with our day/evening, our lives. Nobody got hurt.
Sure, there are sleazeballs out there. Some. You either seem to know them all or your unhinged imagination is running away with you.

50 year old men "appreciating" women half their age may be "normal" in the sense that it seems like a hell of a lot of men do it and are defensive of it but it's neither inevitable nor aspirational (how defensive the middle age+ men on here are about the whole issue is ... sure something ).

The fact that it's commoditised and commercialised for sports shows? Yes I stand by all of the above. Gross/letching/ogling etc. there's no other way to describe it and -- as TiBB is so fond of reminding everyone -- it's not OK to go around telling people how they should and shouldn't think. Pls respect my opinion that it's disgusting .

As a final thought? Your argument that "no one gets hurt" by the pervasive objectification of women in society - and yes tbh young people in general in society (objectification of young men in for example Hollywood is rife too) - is extremely naive and demonstrably false. A lot of people get hurt. In lots of different ways. Mostly women, mostly teens/young adults, sooo it's unsurprising that as usual no one really cares and happily trots off to mindlessly drift through their banal evening with nary a thought bothering them beyond what's for dinner.

I almost envy it, really.

[jet]

QB/TS Goody, I'm not 50 yet. Yay! You can spew all you want about gross pervy smelly old fat gammon gits but if anyone participates in the thread and disagrees with your opinion they are being defensive? Okay.

Do you not find a younger attractive woman nice to look at? Why not?

Do you automatically think that those that do are ‘perving’ and are actually ‘turned on’ - which couldn’t be further from the truth personally. There is a huge difference between simply appreciating a woman’s assets and being sexually aroused. Can you describe to me how you assume all these men you have observed are actually ogling and letching and want to have their ‘hand in their pants’, as you say?
What are they doing? Are they wriggling in their seats with massive hard - ons? Then I can look out for it the next time I go to one of my classic car events because seemingly I’ve been oblivious.
By the way, I was specifically referring to the women at sports events, (not the more damaging issues of objectification) how exactly are they being hurt?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by jet

QB/TS Goody, I'm not 50 yet. Yay! You can spew all you want about gross pervy smelly old fat gammon gits but if anyone participates in the thread and disagrees with your opinion they are being defensive? Okay.

Do you not find a younger attractive woman nice to look at? Why not?

Do you automatically think that those that do are ‘perving’ and are actually ‘turned on’ - which couldn’t be further from the truth personally. There is a huge difference between simply appreciating a woman’s assets and being sexually aroused. Can you describe to me how you assume all these men you have observed are actually ogling and letching and want to have their ‘hand in their pants’, as you say?
What are they doing? Are they wriggling in their seats with massive hard - ons? Then I can look out for it the next time I go to one of my classic car events because seemingly I’ve been oblivious.
By the way, I was specifically referring to the women at sports events, (not the more damaging issues of objectification) how exactly are they being hurt?

Once you hit 50 as a WHITE male you turn into a gammon, a perve, smelly, someone who ogles younger women, a letch.....sorry if you just enjoy watching working class darts but its just something that comes with the territory, same with football, you tend to go home and beat your partner if your side loses, I have told Mr C he needs to do better as he doesn't seem to be following any of these rules

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Once you hit 50 as a WHITE male you turn into a gammon, a perve, smelly, someone who ogles younger women, a letch.....sorry if you just enjoy watching working class darts but its just something that comes with the territory

Not automatically - only if you actually do those things . It's not inevitable. Not everyone has rock bottom standards and expectations.

same with football, you tend to go home and beat your partner if your side loses, I have told Mr C he needs to do better as he doesn't seem to be following any of these rules

Is this because I pointed out the actual known fact that domestic violence incidences increase on "big match weekends"? Something that's known and well understood by professionals who work with victims of domestic violence? Are you deliberately misrepresenting that and poo-pooing away actual, verified, statistical fact for TiBB points Cherie? Classy stuff.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I agree with you, but I'm not sure what your point is? Everyone is exploited, so why should we worry about a bit more? I disagree fundamentally. I don't think wage-slavery exploitation is OK either but that's not what the thread is about.



I don't have an issue with the women who are darts walk on girls so the question is loaded. If the women on stage are dressing how they want to dress because they like it and feel good then that's great. If they're doing it to sell more records to men twice their age then I find it marginally depressing; but I doubt that's their core fanbase. Apparently there's still some confusion about who and what I have an issue with here; it's not women making money or women showing skin.



50 year old men "appreciating" women half their age may be "normal" in the sense that it seems like a hell of a lot of men do it and are defensive of it but it's neither inevitable nor aspirational (how defensive the middle age+ men on here are about the whole issue is ... sure something ).

The fact that it's commoditised and commercialised for sports shows? Yes I stand by all of the above. Gross/letching/ogling etc. there's no other way to describe it and -- as TiBB is so fond of reminding everyone -- it's not OK to go around telling people how they should and shouldn't think. Pls respect my opinion that it's disgusting .

As a final thought? Your argument that "no one gets hurt" by the pervasive objectification of women in society - and yes tbh young people in general in society (objectification of young men in for example Hollywood is rife too) - is extremely naive and demonstrably false. A lot of people get hurt. In lots of different ways. Mostly women, mostly teens/young adults, sooo it's unsurprising that as usual no one really cares and happily trots off to mindlessly drift through their banal evening with nary a thought bothering them beyond what's for dinner.

I almost envy it, really.

I will be blunt about this, so if I offend anyone then fair enough.

Men and women (even if they're as old as 90) are more likely to find people in their twenties and thirties more attractive than someone that's 50/60 years old.

That's just how Human Beings are wired in general, basically nature taking it's course.