[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

They missed him again.

They're more off target than Spurs during the Arsenal match yesterday.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It wasn’t an assassination attempt

Admittedly I am also suspicious about this attempt.

But if I do take it at face value, it isn't a good look for the Democrat voters.

[Maru]

I did see some information before it was taken down..



The would-be shooter purports to be recruiter for Ukraine. The post above is supposed to be from his FB (you can see his picture under the American flag). Note there's also a seemingly random reference to Taipei in the top right... Google "Taipei 228 Memorial" and it produces interesting results. I'm not convinced he's all that he claims. His political postings are all over the place and yet he's still attached enough to reality that he's capable of taking action on his views. All that said, this isn't the actions of someone whose one man army has been going very well, so someone with something to prove maybe...

Interestingly, NYT claims they interviewed him in the past:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/u...ect-routh.html

Mr. Routh, a former roofing contractor from Greensboro, N.C., was interviewed by The New York Times in 2023 for an article about Americans volunteering to aid the war effort in Ukraine. Mr. Routh, who had no military experience, said he had traveled to the country after Russia’s invasion and wanted to recruit Afghan soldiers to fight there.

From this article (paywalled, but I'm pasting contents here):

Spoiler:

Volunteers trained Ukrainian soldiers last year as part of the Mozart Group, which two former Marines established to help Ukraine. It disbanded after one founder sued the other, alleging theft and harassment.Credit...Laura Boushnak for The New York Times

Justin Scheck and Thomas Gibbons-Neff

Justin Scheck, an international investigative reporter, and Thomas Gibbons-Neff, the Ukraine correspondent, reported this article from Ukraine and around Europe.

Published March 25, 2023Updated June 24, 2023

Want to stay updated on what’s happening in Russia and Ukraine? , and we’ll send our latest coverage to your inbox.

They rushed to Ukraine by the thousands, many of them Americans who promised to bring military experience, money or supplies to the battleground of a righteous war. Hometown newspapers hailed their commitment, and donors backed them with millions of dollars.

Now, after a year of combat, many of these homespun groups of volunteers are fighting with themselves and undermining the war effort. Some have wasted money or stolen valor. Others have cloaked themselves in charity while also trying to profit off the war, records show.

One retired Marine lieutenant colonel from Virginia is the focus of a U.S. federal investigation into the potentially illegal export of military technology. A former Army soldier arrived in Ukraine only to turn traitor and defect to Russia. A Connecticut man who lied about his military service has posted live updates from the battlefield — including his exact location — and boasted about his easy access to American weapons. A former construction worker is hatching a plan to use fake passports to smuggle in fighters from Pakistan and Iran.

And in one of the more curious entanglements, one of the largest volunteer groups is embroiled in a power struggle involving an Ohio man who falsely claimed to have been both a U.S. Marine and a LongHorn Steakhouse assistant manager. The dispute also involves a years-old incident on Australian reality TV.

Such characters have a place in Ukraine’s defense because of the arms-length role the United States has taken: The Biden administration sends weapons and money but not professional troops. That means people who would not be allowed anywhere near the battlefield in a U.S.-led war are active on the Ukrainian front — often with unchecked access to weapons and military equipment.

Many of the volunteers who hurried to Ukraine did so selflessly and acted with heroism. Some have lost their lives. Foreigners have rescued civilians, aided the wounded and fought ferociously alongside Ukrainians. Others raised money for crucial supplies.

Subscribe to The Times to read as many articles as you like.

A version of this article appears in print on March 26, 2023, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Volunteers Add to Chaos On Battlefield.

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His reply section on his X account (his activity) was very recently active (before his acct was killed off) and he @'s everyone it seems... anyone willing to listen, but only users of actual importance, because of course...

Ever since the debate, the rhetoric has gotten worse, so not surprising it incentivizes the crazies to act and make themselves a focal point to separate themselves from the rest of the noise... they did get him alive, which is rare... so maybe needed answers will eventually come of that.

Re: NYT Article; Contract mercenaries are a thing. Some people leave the military and they go that route and the US govt benefits because they don't have any involvement with the dirtier aspects. We know someone who used to be in the field, but it's common knowledge. The military is one part of a big industry... a sad one.

As to whether political violence is acceptable, it's never acceptable, regardless of which party or candidate it targets... before this happened, I was saddened to see some of the directions posts and threads were going. I think it's fine to ask questions and to speculate, but there really does seem to be a thirst among some for a "something" to happen, like it's a form of entertainment... and indeed, something did.

[bots]

There is fear, division and hate being stoked up. Trump and his cronies were at it all last week. Did anyone really think everything was going to go peacefully and quietly. Violence could erupt at any moment

[Liam-]

It’s just convenient that someone ‘tried to kill’ him the day his vp pick declares to the world that if they need to, they’ll make up stories to grab the attention of the country, Harris reaches 50% in the polls, Trump has a meltdown over Swift and it’s revealed that schools in Springfield are being shut down and going virtual because of the bomb threats being received off the back of the lies being spread about Haitians, it’s one mighty big distraction when they very handily needed one

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Admittedly I am also suspicious about this attempt.

But if I do take it at face value, it isn't a good look for the Democrat voters.

It’s not a good look for democrat voters that republicans keep trying to ‘kill’ Donald Trump?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s not a good look for democrat voters that republicans keep trying to ‘kill’ Donald Trump?

Routh..
.

Campaign finance records show Routh has made 19 small political donations totalling around $140 (£106) since 2019 to ActBlue, a political action committee that supports Democratic candidates.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s just convenient that someone ‘tried to kill’ him the day his vp pick declares to the world that if they need to, they’ll make up stories to grab the attention of the country, Harris reaches 50% in the polls, Trump has a meltdown over Swift and it’s revealed that schools in Springfield are being shut down and going virtual because of the bomb threats being received off the back of the lies being spread about Haitians, it’s one mighty big distraction when they very handily needed one

What's convenient is a Democrat supporter can travel 650 miles from North Carolina to Florida, find one if trumps golf courses, hide, and then be lucky enough to do that on a day hes golfing there...very strange set of circumstances that, if you ask me.

[bots]

its going to be the norm the way everything is being stoked up, actions have consequences

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Maru

I did see some information before it was taken down..



The would-be shooter purports to be recruiter for Ukraine. The post above is supposed to be from his FB (you can see his picture under the American flag). Note there's also a seemingly random reference to Taipei in the top right... Google "Taipei 228 Memorial" and it produces interesting results. I'm not convinced he's all that he claims. His political postings are all over the place and yet he's still attached enough to reality that he's capable of taking action on his views. All that said, this isn't the actions of someone whose one man army has been going very well, so someone with something to prove maybe...

Interestingly, NYT claims they interviewed him in the past:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/u...ect-routh.html



From this article (paywalled, but I'm pasting contents here):

Spoiler:

Volunteers trained Ukrainian soldiers last year as part of the Mozart Group, which two former Marines established to help Ukraine. It disbanded after one founder sued the other, alleging theft and harassment.Credit...Laura Boushnak for The New York Times

Justin Scheck and Thomas Gibbons-Neff

Justin Scheck, an international investigative reporter, and Thomas Gibbons-Neff, the Ukraine correspondent, reported this article from Ukraine and around Europe.

Published March 25, 2023Updated June 24, 2023

Want to stay updated on what’s happening in Russia and Ukraine? , and we’ll send our latest coverage to your inbox.

They rushed to Ukraine by the thousands, many of them Americans who promised to bring military experience, money or supplies to the battleground of a righteous war. Hometown newspapers hailed their commitment, and donors backed them with millions of dollars.

Now, after a year of combat, many of these homespun groups of volunteers are fighting with themselves and undermining the war effort. Some have wasted money or stolen valor. Others have cloaked themselves in charity while also trying to profit off the war, records show.

One retired Marine lieutenant colonel from Virginia is the focus of a U.S. federal investigation into the potentially illegal export of military technology. A former Army soldier arrived in Ukraine only to turn traitor and defect to Russia. A Connecticut man who lied about his military service has posted live updates from the battlefield — including his exact location — and boasted about his easy access to American weapons. A former construction worker is hatching a plan to use fake passports to smuggle in fighters from Pakistan and Iran.

And in one of the more curious entanglements, one of the largest volunteer groups is embroiled in a power struggle involving an Ohio man who falsely claimed to have been both a U.S. Marine and a LongHorn Steakhouse assistant manager. The dispute also involves a years-old incident on Australian reality TV.

Such characters have a place in Ukraine’s defense because of the arms-length role the United States has taken: The Biden administration sends weapons and money but not professional troops. That means people who would not be allowed anywhere near the battlefield in a U.S.-led war are active on the Ukrainian front — often with unchecked access to weapons and military equipment.

Many of the volunteers who hurried to Ukraine did so selflessly and acted with heroism. Some have lost their lives. Foreigners have rescued civilians, aided the wounded and fought ferociously alongside Ukrainians. Others raised money for crucial supplies.

Subscribe to The Times to read as many articles as you like.

A version of this article appears in print on March 26, 2023, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Volunteers Add to Chaos On Battlefield.

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His reply section on his X account (his activity) was very recently active (before his acct was killed off) and he @'s everyone it seems... anyone willing to listen, but only users of actual importance, because of course...

Ever since the debate, the rhetoric has gotten worse, so not surprising it incentivizes the crazies to act and make themselves a focal point to separate themselves from the rest of the noise... they did get him alive, which is rare... so maybe needed answers will eventually come of that.

Re: NYT Article; Contract mercenaries are a thing. Some people leave the military and they go that route and the US govt benefits because they don't have any involvement with the dirtier aspects. We know someone who used to be in the field, but it's common knowledge. The military is one part of a big industry... a sad one.

As to whether political violence is acceptable, it's never acceptable, regardless of which party or candidate it targets... before this happened, I was saddened to see some of the directions posts and threads were going. I think it's fine to ask questions and to speculate, but there really does seem to be a thirst among some for a "something" to happen, like it's a form of entertainment... and indeed, something did.

He sounds like a bit of a fantasist tbh

[arista]

Because the FBI and Police
were given the details of the Car he was in
with a sticker on it.
The Police soon caught up,
with him
as he was driving off.


Photo from X
As he was arrested and put in the
Police Car

[arista]

Joe Biden has now stated
Congress needs to approve more staff
at the Secret Service

He said that
just before taking a flight.


Ref: CNN HD USA Live Feed

[bots]

on the BBC

There’s been a lot of speculation online about Ryan Routh’s political leanings and in particular his alleged links to Ukraine.

Here’s what we know so far - Ryan Routh spent some time in Ukraine following Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022. We’ve put pictures he posted on his own social media accounts through a facial recognition tool and identified him attending at least one event in Kyiv in support of Ukraine.

A blog post about the war published at the time also identified Routh as "an American in his 50s who left his family and job behind to volunteer in Ukraine", along with a picture that bears a strong resemblance to him.

Speaking to Newsweek Romania in 2022,, external Routh said he first came to Ukraine to fight, but was rejected due to his age – then 56 – and lack of combat experience.

He then stayed to help get donations and attract volunteers. Routh told Newsweek that he was working with the International Legion – a Ukrainian military unit that is comprised of foreign volunteers.

However, the Legion told the BBC that "Ryan Wesley Routh has never been part of, associated with, or linked to the International Legion in any capacity… Any claims or suggestions indicating otherwise are entirely inaccurate."

[Gusto Brunt]

I fear 'third time lucky.'

[Maru]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He sounds like a bit of a fantasist tbh

Yes and no? He's been in and out of the media quite a bit across his life it seems. Some innocuous things as well. There's a thread archiving a lot of content here (including his FB).

Some of his appearances in media (there's been more..):

Spoiler:

A warning that was posted about him on X back in June:

Spoiler:

There was another thread as well that was linked in that archive that I didn't screen before... basically, he tried to join some legion (it seems like in Ukraine), but they described him in good detail before the information started leaking saying they had rejected him from their unit because he appeared to have mental deficiencies.

I don't know why they bother to scrub as people started archiving as soon as his name was out (I'm surprised how quickly). I guess to keep things from being shared too far and wide and getting out of hand in the immediate aftermath, but imo, having light shed on this individual is beneficial in the sense we see it for what he is... it's harder to make up conspiracies if the information is not being hidden.

There's a picture of one of his homes in one of the media snippets from long ago...

[Crimson Dynamo]

the attempted assassin was a Kamala Harris supporter

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

the attempted assassin was a Kamala Harris supporter

So not a Trump supporter, then?

[bots]

basically, someone who wasn't exactly free from mental issues

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Beso

What's convenient is a Democrat supporter can travel 650 miles from North Carolina to Florida, find one if trumps golf courses, hide, and then be lucky enough to do that on a day hes golfing there...very strange set of circumstances that, if you ask me.

Local police agree with me.

https://youtu.be/UvhEZ3R59hE?si=wab6oM0Ualii8i3s

[Liam-]

So not an assassination attempt

[bots]

it was a foiled attempt. The intent was certainly there. As it happens, the guy voted for trump in 2016 and 2020, so make of that what you will

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by bots

Someone was just innocently walking on Trumps golf course with an AK 47 and a go pro cam, obviously just there for a day out

Oh naturally ...as you do

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s not a good look for democrat voters that republicans keep trying to ‘kill’ Donald Trump?

Has it been confirmed that the shooter is Republican?

Because the first one was a Democrat, but a former Republican.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He sounds like a bit of a fantasist tbh

A narcissist more like.

[Maru]

It doesn't seem like they're affiliated with a party, as if their political ideology could be boiled down to simple common sense. I don't know that that is possible without him explicit stating "I affiliate with X", other than a specific candidate. He seems to be an Independent. They did latch onto the "Democracy is on the ballot" stuff when talking towards Kamala on X, but they spoke to all kinds of people. It was all over the place. I wouldn't be shocked if his actions were related to his views with Ukraine. It would be interesting to learn the point in which they began to be radicalized, how it started, etc... but we all know it started with being crazy and thirsting for being some kind of hero..

What I want to know is how he ended up with a full auto at any point in his life and is still walking the streets. Those are not at all common lol. That's where I can see a conspiracy occurring, because it's not at all normal to have a full auto anything in our homes... those are true weapons of war and not something a person would have unless maybe they're running some kind of military museum, have military links (this is where the conspiracies can begin...) or otherwise are in the business of arming others. It was in 2002, but that should've put him on some kind of list from that point on... and yet he was able to fly in and out of the country, move to Hawaii and visit all these places after that... and there's no questions being asked about potential terror links??... normally the media jumps when anything auto weapon is even mentioned.

Records show Routh’s legal issues go back to the 1990s, including a variety of felonies and misdemeanours, including numerous charges for stolen goods.

He was charged and convicted of numerous felony offences in Guilford County in North Carolina between 2002 and 2010, according to online records.

In 2002, he was charged for possession of a fully automatic machine gun, which was referred to in court filings as a "weapon of mass destruction".

A local newspaper report from the time noted that he barricaded himself in a business and had a three-hour stand-off with police officers in the town of Greensboro before being taken into custody.

Again, this is not something that one can just go into a shop and buy. It's not something one can find in the streets easily, either. It has to be gotten through very specific means... it's not actually legal to own that here (since 1986), without specific links and credentials.