[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I think you talk sense. He did get a little fixated on the words ‘vicious attack’ which he felt was an inaccurate accusation that reflected badly on him. And quite rightly so. I have to agree with him, and I felt he was justified in pursuing the matter until the words were retracted.

Personally, I wouldn’t like unfair accusations being thrown around about me, and I’d feel the need to address it too. I think that because Nathan remains so calm about everything, housemates tend to forget that he has feelings too - and Daze’s words had bothered and affected him.

Oh absolutely agree that I would not like any unfair accusations leveled at me either.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah I felt as though he laboured it as you say when it was easy to see that it wasn’t the time for Daze …anyway though, it was all sorted out between them…(…hopefully…)…I do feel that although they have completely different views and stances on things and different way of presenting that, they make an interesting conversation so I’d like the, both to be there for a while to come…I think there may be many clashes to come between them also…

In truth, though, Daze laboured the point too, and didn’t let it go, as she continued focusing on it in her discussions with many other housemates.

And, in the same way, it might not have felt the right time for Daze, she didn’t actually show any consideration for that when she jumped on Khaled, at a very difficult and stressful time for him. She showed no awareness of the no-win situation Khaled had been placed in, or how uncomfortable and guilty he would have felt in being forced to make a public decision that was always going to upset someone.

I felt that Daze was much more inconsiderate during this incident, and chose to blow Nathan’s justifiable defence of Khaled way out of proportion. I don’t dislike Daze, but in all honesty, I found her reactions to be just a little self-indulgent - when she originally claimed it was about Martha, who did deserve some sympathy, it somehow turned into something that was all about her.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think he can be hilarious.
Once those 2 start though, it gets all my concentration.

I am liking Nathan more Joey, daze does seem to want everyone to agree with her if not she gets defensive.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ray.

I'm liking Nathan more and more with every show.

Same


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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

In truth, though, Daze laboured the point too, and didn’t let it go, as she continued focusing on it in her discussions with many other housemates.

And, in the same way, it might not have felt the right time for Daze, she didn’t actually show any consideration for that when she jumped on Khaled, at a very difficult and stressful time for him. She showed no awareness of the no-win situation Khaled had been placed in, or how uncomfortable and guilty he would have felt in being forced to make a public decision that was always going to upset someone.

I felt that Daze was much more inconsiderate during this incident, and chose to blow Nathan’s justifiable defence of Khaled way out of proportion. I don’t dislike Daze, but in all honesty, I found her reactions to be just a little self-indulgent - when she originally claimed it was about Martha, who did deserve some sympathy, it somehow turned into something that was all about her.

..I understand but then if Daze ‘jumped in’ and it was too reactive, which I think it was…then for me it was a little of two wrongs don’t make a right…I know they’re not wrongs as such but both things…/…both actions/reactions are open to equal criticism …I don’t dismiss that Daze’s part in things etc but I was specifically focused on Nathan’s part because that was the thread topic on this occasion…and I do feel that it wasn’t completely the right time but all seems well now as they say…

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I understand but then if Daze ‘jumped in’ and it was too reactive, which I think it was…then for me it was a little of two wrongs don’t make a right…I know they’re not wrongs as such but both things…/…both actions/reactions are open to equal criticism …I don’t dismiss that Daze’s part in things etc but I was specifically focused on Nathan’s part because that was the thread topic on this occasion…and I do feel that it wasn’t completely the right time but all seems well now as they say…

The focus of the thread was Nathan, so I understand where you are coming from. I think, for me, because posts on Nathan were so based on the events from last night, it felt difficult to pass judgement on him out of context, and without considering what might have prompted his own reactions and responses. It felt difficult to separate the two, as their motives and triggers seemed so intertwined with their interaction, if that makes sense.

I believe these two have settled for an uneasy truce at this moment, but that issues might well flare up again. Makes for interesting points of discussion, though!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

The focus of the thread was Nathan, so I understand where you are coming from. I think, for me, because posts on Nathan were so based on the events from last night, it felt difficult to pass judgement on him out of context, and without considering what might have prompted his own reactions and responses. It felt difficult to separate the two, as their motives and triggers seemed so intertwined with their interaction, if that makes sense.

I believe these two have settled for an uneasy truce at this moment, but that issues might well flare up again. Makes for interesting points of discussion, though!

…I just think that the modern world we live in has a very tribal leaning in that so much seems to be team this or team that and creates either a hero or a villain scenario…and of course BB/reality TV in general promotes that and nurtures it in its potion as well……so I try to look at both ‘faults’ as it were because that is to me, the more full context…and Daze behaviour doesn’t change that I agree with Annie and feel as though he over laboured the point a bit at that time, imo…I like him, he’s absolutely a favourite of mine and I’m not changed in that opinion because of that one interaction and that he did have some fault…

[Beso]

I liked how he came out the 2nd time to makes sure she wasnt spinning a false narrative.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Going on and on. He can't let it drop

At one point he looked totally very angry.

And I was shocked to learn he's only 24. I thought he wa about 34.

But yeah if anyone is faking in there it's him. I bet he can let rip really hard.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am liking Nathan more Joey, daze does seem to want everyone to agree with her if not she gets defensive.

and the tears come

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Beso

I liked how he came out the 2nd time to makes sure she wasnt spinning a false narrative.

That was my perception too.

[Niamh.]

I don't think it's "pedantic" to not want someone saying you viciously attacked them when that was not true at all. I doubt she would have just let it go had it been Nathan saying that she viciously attacked Khaled

[rusticgal]

I think Nathan is a great Housemate...and he put Daze right in her place last night.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I just think that the modern world we live in has a very tribal leaning in that so much seems to be team this or team that and creates either a hero or a villain scenario…and of course BB/reality TV in general promotes that and nurtures it in its potion as well……so I try to look at both ‘faults’ as it were because that is to me, the more full context…and Daze behaviour doesn’t change that I agree with Annie and feel as though he over laboured the point a bit at that time, imo…I like him, he’s absolutely a favourite of mine and I’m not changed in that opinion because of that one interaction and that he did have some fault…

Everything in the world these days is definitely more polarised. You see that so much in politics - you pick a side and defend everything and anything they do, whilst criticising the other side relentlessly, regardless whether they are right or wrong. It sometimes feels that many people in real life have lost the ability to step back and evaluate objectively. You’re right too in saying that BB will capitalise on this tendency and promote it, as it makes for great viewing.

Funnily enough, Nathan has never been a favourite of mine, and although I felt he behaved rationally and his actions were justified in this situation, of course that is only my opinion, and your opinion is equally justifiable, even if it isn’t the same as mine. That’s just the nature of opinions!

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think it's "pedantic" to not want someone saying you viciously attacked them when that was not true at all. I doubt she would have just let it go had it been Nathan saying that she viciously attacked Khaled

This about sums it up for me. It was an untrue and unfair statement that needed to be addressed.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think it's "pedantic" to not want someone saying you viciously attacked them when that was not true at all. I doubt she would have just let it go had it been Nathan saying that she viciously attacked Khaled

100% agree ,I'm sure most of us would want to make sure no lies were being spread about us.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Everything in the world these days is definitely more polarised. You see that so much in politics - you pick a side and defend everything and anything they do, whilst criticising the other side relentlessly, regardless whether they are right or wrong. It sometimes feels that many people in real life have lost the ability to step back and evaluate objectively. You’re right too in saying that BB will capitalise on this tendency and promote it, as it makes for great viewing.

Funnily enough, Nathan has never been a favourite of mine, and although I felt he behaved rationally and his actions were justified in this situation, of course that is only my opinion, and your opinion is equally justifiable, even if it isn’t the same as mine. That’s just the nature of opinions!

…I don’t think it’s just politics though in that I think for me it’s quite a social media thing but interesting in terms of BB, I think it started to present itself more and more in Helen Wood’s series which I definitely think was prominent in ‘forming tribes’…and we’ve had things such as Rebecca Vardy and Coleen Rooney and it’s an instant team one or team the other but it’s just become such a way with so much and yeah, it’s part of politics also…we all get drawn into these things at times though because it’s impossible not to…