[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Awhh bless you, thank you



It's called empathy and respect.

People feel like they did know him. You haven't got to physically know someone to feel compassion



OK. I stand by comments.

I feel compassion for his family. Not the idiot who fell off a building because he couldn’t handle his big boy drugs.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I feel compassion for his family. Not the idiot who fell off a building because he couldn’t handle his big boy drugs.

So you don't consider any mitigating circumstances AT ALL?

It's clear to you that that he had complete control over his actions?

You don't think rising to huge fame when he was 16 had any impact on his ability to reason?

[Glenn.]

The bloke made his ex get an abortion then harassed her to the point she has to seek legal solutions. Then cheated on his girlfriend with girls he paid for sex. Was pretty much a deadbeat dad to the kid he had with Cheryl.

And everyone is supposed to treat him like a sweet innocent man now because he got himself killed? Go out

[Crimson Dynamo]

170,790 people die every day

365 days per year

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The bloke made his ex get an abortion then harassed her to the point she has to seek legal solutions. Then cheated on his girlfriend with girls he paid for sex. Was pretty much a deadbeat dad to the kid he had with Cheryl.

And everyone is supposed to treat him like a sweet innocent man now because he got himself killed? Go out

Their your words. No one has mentioned that he is innocent. I would like to think those who were closest to him he knew him best, their words speak volumes.

Regardless of any of that, it's a loss of life.

I won't change your opinion so I will leave it there.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The bloke made his ex get an abortion then harassed her to the point she has to seek legal solutions. Then cheated on his girlfriend with girls he paid for sex. Was pretty much a deadbeat dad to the kid he had with Cheryl.

And everyone is supposed to treat him like a sweet innocent man now because he got himself killed? Go out

Facepalm!!

We are not saying he was all sweet and innocent by a long chalk. Not at all? He was extremely flawed, damaged. As Thomas said, its empathetic to feel sorrow at his death. For him and his family etc alike.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

So you don't consider any mitigating circumstances AT ALL?

It's clear to you that that he had complete control over his actions?

You don't think rising to huge fame when he was 16 had any impact on his ability to reason?

Not particularly. He wanted the fame don’t he? He wasn’t even a good singer. Hence why he was dropped.

He was clinging to fame so desperately.

It’s tragic what happened to him but that’s as far as my compassion goes. Not gonna be a weirdo and cry over him dying.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The bloke made his ex get an abortion then harassed her to the point she has to seek legal solutions. Then cheated on his girlfriend with girls he paid for sex. Was pretty much a deadbeat dad to the kid he had with Cheryl.

And everyone is supposed to treat him like a sweet innocent man now because he got himself killed? Go out

Do you know him personally???...or are you making these judgements on what you have read?

[Kate!]

Pfffft. Utter Garbage. He was a great singer. Millions would disagree with you. Not that you're not entitled to your opinion of course.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Facepalm!!

We are not saying he was all sweet and innocent by a long chalk. Not at all? He was extremely flawed, damaged. As Thomas said, its empathetic to feel sorrow at his death. For him and his family etc alike.

I wouldn't even bother Kate.

They're entitled to their opinion.

We're going around in circles
Thankfully, it's a minority opinion.

It's the same demographic who contribute to the dark side of social media. Free to say what they like behind a computer with very little understanding of human psychology. Like I said previous, a lack of emotional intelligence

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-photos.html

this is getting ghoulish now, if they have pictures of him in his last hour there must be footage of him on the balcony or CCTV hopefully for his familys sake they will be able to verify whether he jumped or fell ..I feel for his family I dont think we need all this kind of reporting?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Do you know him personally???...or are you making these judgements on what you have read?

From what I’ve seen and heard from him. His solo music was dire and his record company agreed

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

Sorry, but this guy had every advantage you could imagine, i'm not talking about anyone else, i'm talking about one individual, so do not put words in my mouth that i did not say

I have to say again to anyone who has lost someone to addiction this is just clearly untrue. My own mum had a thriving career, we were financially very comfortable, plenty of friends etc. at age 47, by 55 she was in a council flat suffering daily panic attacks and drinking every night, and by 58 she was dead of multiple organ failure caused by alcohol and prescription painkillers.

It's not just a sad affliction for poor people "and those who are doing well won't be affected". No amount of money will fix your mental health. Not a Ł100 therapy session and not a Łbillion fortune.

A lot of very rich celebrities have serious mental health issues. We should know by now that material wealth and opportunity has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

this is getting ghoulish now, if they have pictures of him in his last hour there must be footage of him on the balcony or CCTV hopefully for his familys sake they will be able to verify whether he jumped or fell ..I feel for his family I dont think we need all this kind of reporting?

There are photos of him on the ground
dead.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I have to say again to anyone who has lost someone to addiction this is just clearly untrue. My own mum had a thriving career, we were financially very comfortable, plenty of friends etc. at age 47, by 55 she was in a council flat suffering daily panic attacks and drinking every night, and by 58 she was dead of multiple organ failure caused by alcohol and prescription painkillers.

It's not just a sad affliction for poor people "and those who are doing well won't be affected". No amount of money will fix your mental health. Not a Ł100 therapy session and not a Łbillion fortune.

A lot of very rich celebrities have serious mental health issues. We should know by now that material wealth and opportunity has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Very good post

There are a lot of 'functioning' addicts. Can keep down a job, pay the bills, have friends, BUT still have bad addiction.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

There are photos of him on the ground
dead.

awful

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

170,790 people die every day

365 days per year

Now that is a crazy coincidence !!

lol


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[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Cherie

awful

To put it in context
.
There wasn't photos. It was one photo showing his arm and hip, the rest of the body was blurred out.it was released by TMZ who have since taken it down as they got backlash

Understandable as disgusting thing to do

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Their your words. No one has mentioned that he is innocent. I would like to think those who were closest to him he knew him best, their words speak volumes.

Regardless of any of that, it's a loss of life.

I won't change your opinion so I will leave it there.

Reactions to the death of a celebrity is a complex matter



I never really cared for Liam .. or his solo music ( two decent songs and one of those was a duet the other a collaboration)

Never really cared much for Zayn but he has done some fantastic songs ..


Now Harry Styles’s personality always appealed to me plus he’s done loads of great songs - I would be really disappointed if something untoward happened to him


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[MTVN]

Is it just me or is a third floor room not that high, it seems like there could be a decent chance of surviving that depending how you fall

[bots]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I have to say again to anyone who has lost someone to addiction this is just clearly untrue. My own mum had a thriving career, we were financially very comfortable, plenty of friends etc. at age 47, by 55 she was in a council flat suffering daily panic attacks and drinking every night, and by 58 she was dead of multiple organ failure caused by alcohol and prescription painkillers.

It's not just a sad affliction for poor people "and those who are doing well won't be affected". No amount of money will fix your mental health. Not a Ł100 therapy session and not a Łbillion fortune.

A lot of very rich celebrities have serious mental health issues. We should know by now that material wealth and opportunity has absolutely nothing to do with it.

you have just written a load of stuff not related in any way to my post. People don't seem to be very comfortable acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy, by their own choices, the families they destroy. Why not a little more about that?

I state again, he had every advantage. He could go to rehab, get the best help, much more than 99% of other addicts. He, by his own choices, took a path that led to his death, no-one else. If that evokes sympathy in some people fair enough, but don't tell me i am heartless or whatever for my stance, because it's just not true

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

you have just written a load of stuff not related in any way to my post. People don't seem to be very comfortable acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy, by their own choices, the families they destroy. Why not a little more about that?

BOTS I've just outlined in that post that my own mother died as a result of addiction when I was in my late 20's so with all due respect (which is zero), you can take your musings on "people not acknowledging the lives that addicts destroy", roll them up and fck yourself sideways with them. Take a break and take a look at yourself.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Is it just me or is a third floor room not that high, it seems like there could be a decent chance of surviving that depending how you fall

Yeah, sounds like he landed head first though

[Tom and amy fan]

I keep thinking about how Cheryl has to explain to a 7 year old where his dad is

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Is it just me or is a third floor room not that high, it seems like there could be a decent chance of surviving that depending how you fall

Head injuries …


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