[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's not loads of riveting stuff in there, I just liked hearing Emma's take on things

…yeah, they’re still discussing Ali but I wish we saw more of this Emma in the HL shows…because she has a great balance of fun and funny too but so far, I feel as though it’s just more showed a sense of humour that can be a bit cruel…but I don’t think that’s accurate at all, actually…she seems to be quite balanced and it’ll be interesting to see if she and Nathan do have that ‘chat’ with Ali that they’ve mentioned…I hope that Emma is there for it also…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, they’re still discussing Ali but I wish we saw more of this Emma in the HL shows…because she has a great balance of fun and funny too but so far, I feel as though it’s just more showed a sense of humour that can be a bit cruel…but I don’t think that’s accurate at all, actually…she seems to be quite balanced and it’ll be interesting to see if she and Nathan do have that ‘chat’ with Ali that they’ve mentioned…I hope that Emma is there for it also…

Yes and if they do that they actually show it on the H/L's show

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…the forum is a lot more active since Vicky came back and that’s no coincidence so it obviously is ThisisVicky.com…

happy to take credit but it's prob just coz it's now on season

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes and if they do that they actually show it on the H/L's show

…yeah, this is the thing for sure…I’m thinking more and more that Ali might have a gameplan of seeing if she can win through a ‘skill set of psychology’ stuff rather than being herself…?…and that’s why she just gets it so wrong in her approach also and she has to control every situation if she can…/…she reacts so badly to things that she was less able to control…I kind of know what I mean in my head but I’m not explaining it well…like when a maths genius plays a tactic of numbers etc at Poker and uses their skill set to see if they can win…?..I’m kind of thinking that Ali might be trying to implement psychology tactics with the housemates…(…well I don’t really, tbh….im just overthinking and need to get out more…)…but that’s the lovely of BB, isn’t it…how it gets us thinking and over thinking and then ooo ahhhh, a little bit more…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Abra

It's a tricky one for me. I've gone back and forth with Ali, I liked her in the beginning and then she kind of rubbed me the wrong way during the Khaled drama as I felt she was unfair and too harsh on him. But when it comes to the Marcello thing, I actually do see her point. I'm not a prude by any means, but I also think that Marcello can just be disrespectful and rude with his comments. Although I thought her comments about being struck off the register were bullshit, I did quite admire that she didn't just back down when he approached her about it. She had valid points on this topic and Marcello needs to hear it.

Even if people think Marcello is crude & pushes boundaries,it was NOT only him in that conversation. All he actually said was he's gone such and such without "sex" , then Dean interjected and then Rosie actually took it to a more vulgar stage by mentioning doing stuff in the shower etc.

But of course Ali only puts the blame on Marcello, completely ignoring others were involved in the conversation.

As others have mentioned ...she seems perfectly fine with Lily being loud & gross, and she didn't even call out Rosie's comments. And she seems asleep / unbothered every time Emma says something dirty .

There's alot of double standards. Ali is trying to control and police people's speech ..and she cannot do that . Especially in a house full of different personalities. If Marcello was directing the conversation towards her , and asking her inappropriate questions...then she might have a leg to stand on .

But she's just behaving really stuck up ,and if she genuinely thought her job was at risk ...she would never have entered BB . It's ridiculous she would even put that on Marcello.... it's not his fault if her job is compromised. She's so melodramatic and judgemental .

He even tried to talk to her to one side ,and she even had a go at him for doing that ... like how dare he do that . But yet it's ok for her to Shame him Infront of everyone... like a stern headmistress making an example of a naughty school boy . The hypocrisy is unbelievable .

She needs to take a step back and look at herself in the mirror ,and evaluate her behaviour.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

happy to take credit but it's prob just coz it's now on season

…trust me, I’ve been heard in season a few times and this is not it, ThisisdefinitelyVicky.com…I don’t have a single doubt of that…all here to welcome you back, you build it and they will come……

[GlitterUK]

If Nathan, Rosie or Emma has that chat it may be turned around into she is being picked on etc. You can win in this situation. Like Khaled you are doomed whatever you do. Khaled is one of the most calm and respectful housemates in there. It is such a sad situation he is in. He looked completely broken last night on the life feed standing outside the diary room.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Even if people think Marcello is crude & pushes boundaries,it was NOT only him in that conversation. All he actually said was he's gone such and such without "sex" , then Dean interjected and then Rosie actually took it to a more vulgar stage by mentioning doing stuff in the shower etc.

But of course Ali only puts the blame on Marcello, completely ignoring others were involved in the conversation.

As others have mentioned ...she seems perfectly fine with Lily being loud & gross, and she didn't even call out Rosie's comments. And she seems asleep / unbothered every time Emma says something dirty .

There's alot of double standards. Ali is trying to control and police people's speech ..and she cannot do that . Especially in a house full of different personalities. If Marcello was directing the conversation towards her , and asking her inappropriate questions...then she might have a leg to stand on .

But she's just behaving really stuck up ,and if she genuinely thought her job was at risk ...she would never have entered BB . It's ridiculous she would even put that on Marcello.... it's not his fault if her job is compromised. She's so melodramatic and judgemental .

He even tried to talk to her to one side ,and she even had a go at him for doing that ... like how dare he do that . But yet it's ok for her to Shane him Infront of everyone... like a stern headmistress making an example of a naughty school boy . The hypocrisy is unbelievable .

She needs to take a step back and look at herself in the mirror ,and evaluate her behaviour.

In Ali's defence, she addressed the entire group asking them all not to discuss what they were discussing. It was only when Marcello made a face as if she was being unreasonable that she addressed him specifically.

Ali being fine with Lily being loud and having bad hygiene is totally different to discussion about Marcello being a human ejaculation machine in a space she can't remove herself from.

Many people seems to have lost Ali's point she made, which was that it's fine if it's in the house and she can take herself away, but when people are in a place in which they're forced to stay, peoples comfortableness around certain subjects should be respected. I really don't think that's an unreasonable ask.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBXX

In Ali's defence, she addressed the entire group asking them all not to discuss what they were discussing. It was only when Marcello made a face as if she was being unreasonable that she addressed him specifically.

Ali being fine with Lily being loud and having bad hygiene is totally different to discussion about Marcello being a human ejaculation machine in a space she can't remove herself from.

Many people seems to have lost Ali's point she made, which was that it's fine if it's in the house and she can take herself away, but when people are in a place in which they're forced to stay, peoples comfortableness around certain subjects should be respected. I really don't think that's an unreasonable ask.

I disagree
She brought her whole ass profession into the argument which was irrelevant. Maybe she should think about Lily's job and grossness when she gets given a cup of tea by Lily ...as that's more relevant.

She wanted Marcello to feel bad and in the wrong, she only touched on the group's participation as a general thing....she still focused more on Marcello, despite the fact Rosie was pushing it further.

Ali even mentioned it to Rosie afterwards and if it was only Marcello talking dirty stuff, and as I predicted Rosie just nodded along...instead of owning up to her part in the sex discussion. They're all hypocrites.

And as others have said Ali is inconsistent as hell.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

....she still focused more on Marcello, despite the fact Rosie was pushing it further.

That isn't the order in which it happened. She objected to the conversation, to the group, saying her parents and their parents were watching... Marcello then said he was a human ejaculator...Ali mentioned her job, Marcello said he didn't know she was being serious...everyone was quiet, Marcello made a face and dismissively waved his hand as if she was being unreasonable... Ali asked him not to make a face and explained why she'd asked.

She concentrated in on Marcello later because he pulled her aside and said she was being unreasonable by objecting to sit through conversations of him talking about him masturbating. She hasn't had an issue with anyone else who was speaking vulgar because she respected her wishes, not argued them.

And I think we should also consider that Marcello has been making lewd comments for a while now, she's probably at the end of her tether with him.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBXX

That isn't the order in which it happened. She objected to the conversation, to the group, saying her parents and their parents were watching... Marcello then said he was a human ejaculator...Ali mentioned her job, Marcello said he didn't know she was being serious...everyone was quiet, Marcello made a face and dismissively waved his hand as if she was being unreasonable... Ali asked him not to make a face and explained why she'd asked.

She concentrated in on Marcello later because he pulled her aside and said she was being unreasonable by objecting to sit through conversations of him talking about him masturbating. She hasn't had an issue with anyone else who was speaking vulgar because she respected her wishes, not argued them.

And I think we should also consider that Marcello has been making lewd comments for a while now, she's probably at the end of her tether with him.

Marcello didn't mention masturbating ,BP was the one asking graphic stuff about if he's done anything in the shower .

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

If Nathan, Rosie or Emma has that chat it may be turned around into she is being picked on etc. You can win in this situation. Like Khaled you are doomed whatever you do. Khaled is one of the most calm and respectful housemates in there. It is such a sad situation he is in. He looked completely broken last night on the life feed standing outside the diary room.

He’s presumably worried about how he’s being portrayed ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

That isn't the order in which it happened. She objected to the conversation, to the group, saying her parents and their parents were watching... Marcello then said he was a human ejaculator...Ali mentioned her job, Marcello said he didn't know she was being serious...everyone was quiet, Marcello made a face and dismissively waved his hand as if she was being unreasonable... Ali asked him not to make a face and explained why she'd asked.

She concentrated in on Marcello later because he pulled her aside and said she was being unreasonable by objecting to sit through conversations of him talking about him masturbating. She hasn't had an issue with anyone else who was speaking vulgar because she respected her wishes, not argued them.

And I think we should also consider that Marcello has been making lewd comments for a while now, she's probably at the end of her tether with him.

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[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Marcello didn't mention masturbating ,BP was the one asking graphic stuff about if he's done anything in the shower .

Yes BP asked the question, he answered and then called himself a human ejaculator. My point was Ali zooming in on Marcello was not based on comments being made, it was about his faces, dismissiveness and judgement on her objections to the discussion taking place.

The only person round the sofa to make an issue of Ali not wishing to be forced to listen to them discussion Marcello wanking in the shower was Marcello. That's why he was the subject of her annoyance.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes BP asked the question, he answered and then called himself a human ejaculator. My point was Ali zooming in on Marcello was not based on comments being made, it was about his faces, dismissiveness and judgement on her objections to the discussion taking place.

The only person round the sofa to make an issue of Ali not wishing to be forced to listen to them discussion Marcello wanking in the shower was Marcello. That's why he was the subject of her annoyance.

Wonder what her thoughts were on Nathan talking about poo in the same day in graphic content, that didn't seem to bother her .

She's not consistent ,and that's a fact . She is bias to her friends.

I bet if Dean called himself a "ejaculator" or something, she would have silently just accepted it . She's a hypocrite...and all she does is look down her nose at people who she sees as beneath her.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Wonder what her thoughts were on Nathan talking about poo in the same day in graphic content, that didn't seem to bother her .

She's not consistent ,and that's a fact . She is bias to her friends.

I bet if Dean called himself a "ejaculator" or something, she would have silently just accepted it . She's a hypocrite...and all she does is look down her nose at people who she sees as beneath her.

Hypothetical scenarios that aren't in any way the same don't make good defences.

Ali said she doesn't care about general conversations in the house because she can walk away from them if she wants, but she was in a situation she couldn't remove herself from, that is what her issue was with the situation.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Hypothetical scenarios that aren't in any way the same don't make good defences.

Ali said she doesn't care about general conversations in the house because she can walk away from them if she wants, but she was in a situation she couldn't remove herself from, that is what her issue was with the situation.

Lily was screaming on the sofas and they were all trapped,and couldn't escape. But awww bless her she's just a baby .

Marcello is seen as a immature horny teen ,and I admit at times he does act immature for a 34 year old .But why is a 20 year old screaming " eeeeeeeee" getting treated as some loveable pet .

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Lily was screaming on the sofas and they were all trapped,and couldn't escape. But awww bless her she's just a baby

People keep on mentioning Lily's behaviour when the conversation is on Ali and it's odd to me.

You can find one thing annoying and inappropriate (Comments about ejaculate) while not finding another thing annoying (screaming like a banshee).

That's like saying because I don't like rollercoasters I shouldn't like horror movies.

It's not Ali's job to speak on Lily's behaviour on behalf of other people it may annoy.

For what it's worth I absolutely would rather sit and listen to people discussion sex and masturbation than listen to Lily screeching. I would have said something to Lily on night 1

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBXX

People keep on mentioning Lily's behaviour when the conversation is on Ali and it's odd to me.

You can find one thing annoying and inappropriate (Comments about ejaculate) while not finding another thing annoying (screaming like a banshee).

That's like saying because I don't like rollercoasters I shouldn't like horror movies.

It's not Ali's job to speak on Lily's behaviour on behalf of other people it may annoy.

For what it's worth I absolutely would rather sit and listen to people discussion sex and masturbation than listen to Lily screeching. I would have said something to Lily on night 1 :fist:

I'm glad we agree on something lol.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Abra

It's a tricky one for me. I've gone back and forth with Ali, I liked her in the beginning and then she kind of rubbed me the wrong way during the Khaled drama as I felt she was unfair and too harsh on him. But when it comes to the Marcello thing, I actually do see her point. I'm not a prude by any means, but I also think that Marcello can just be disrespectful and rude with his comments. Although I thought her comments about being struck off the register were bullshit, I did quite admire that she didn't just back down when he approached her about it. She had valid points on this topic and Marcello needs to hear it.

That was the wider point she was making of course, he's been forgotten

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

That was the wider point she was making of course, he's been forgotten

She makes everything about herself, she was not the only person on that couch. Her winning HOH is just going to give her more attention & validation, she actually thinks the housemates wanted her as HOH, but it's not as simple as that . They just left her portrait intact .. nobody actually picked her .