[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

We really are in a sensitive society when a Big Brother Housemate is getting a warning over a joke.

I don't care if people like the joke or not, the intent from Sarah wasn't malicious so therefore BB should not be intervening and policing what a Housemate can and cannot say.

And I really can't wait for Hanah to face the public vote next time.

Yes Stop The Boats

Stop the Gloats

Did seem Strange
to be told off about

[GoldHeart]

Did BB actually give her a warning? , I didn't hear him say that. But I guess it was implied .

[Ammi]

…I feel the whole thing is just quite unfortunate, really…it’s almost as if it would have been more the thing to have called in any housemates who felt uncomfortable with the pun/comment as well…kind of, do you understand Sarah, how this could make someone feel…and also balance that with…do you understand how this wasn’t meant…etc…maybe I’m going too deep there but it’s just all very …unfortunate…and unfortunately in the world we live in/in the internet world etc…unfortunate can/has/and does lead to some awful things being thrown toward someone…I still don’t quite understand how if it was a chant that Sarah and Nathan both did in the task…?…how Nathan wasn’t called in as well to the diary room…

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Did BB actually give her a warning? , I didn't hear him say that. But I guess it was implied .

…no, I think it was explained how something could offend with the diversity of the group…but I don’t think it was a warning, it wasn’t a purposeful thing…I mean, Sarah was devastated that there was seen to be any undertones of anything racist related…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…no, I think it was explained how something could offend with the diversity of the group…but I don’t think it was a warning, it wasn’t a purposeful thing…I mean, Sarah was devastated that there was seen to be any undertones of anything racist related…

I think threads on here are assuming BB gave her a warning ,but we didn't actually hear him give her 1. But I guess it's insinuating it is...as he said " BB doesn't tolerate" and blah blah . Which is usually before s punishment of some kind.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think threads on here are assuming BB gave her a warning ,but we didn't actually hear him give her 1. But I guess it's insinuating it is...as he said " BB doesn't tolerate" and blah blah . Which is usually before s punishment of some kind.

…language/terminology is crazy in how a few letters can change so much for someone…if Stop the Gloating/Dont Gloat/giving gloats etc had been said, it would be nothing…it would be gone…but Stop the gloats and it all changes because of the rearrangement of it all/…of those few words …

[Redway]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I honestly do not

Then that’s further proof of what I’m talking about.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The problem with BB is they are very inconsistent when it comes to what is and isn't offensive,in this day and age...I think it's safe to say it's got to the stage where people have to be careful. We have gotten very PC ,but at the same time...I think BB is worried about complaints.

In the past housemates have definitely said far worse, the fact you're saying a housemate called a black person a " monkey " ( I actually didn't know about that ) , I didn't watch that series. That most definitely has racist tones.

I agree with you on parts ,you know I hate censorship. But obviously it depends on the situation. I think a big part of this must have been the fact Hanah herself didn't find it funny .

It may also have something to do with the fact Sarah & Hanah don't exactly have that type of friendship/ they're
not as close , another example is when Khaled got offended by her comments in the garden task... again they don't have that strong relationship, some friends who get on well and know eachother , will roast eachother and even make risque jokes.

And the fact it was about " gloating" already a negative trait, so Hanah was never going to take it well.

Interesting Nathan's comments once again get brushed off ,he called Khaled's group " fake & vain" ,but it seemed to get forgotten about .

Oh Caroline said a lot of outrageous stuff in that series that would not fly in today's climate.

Personally though I like to watch Reality TV, where people will say and do stuff that you won't like, but that's life in general, especially any perceived prejudices are certainly apart of reality.

And I think what hasn't helped in this series case (away from my hatred of censorship) is why were these things that I'm about to mention allowed to fly?

1. Nathan critiquing Martha's dress sense? Bringing her appearance into a negative light, which is frowned upon in society, and it was said with actual malice. Yet no warning or talking to from Big Brother.

2. Ryan's anti-woke comment in his VT, BB could've barred him from going into the house for making the Non-Binary joke, but they still let him on the Show.

3. Lily going into the Diary Room a couple of weeks ago implying that Segun looks ugly and big (which could definitely be interpreted a certain way) and in another Diary Room segment she went and mocked the guys calling each other "bruv" in a faux ghetto accent. Yet no warning off BB.

4. Ali blatantly being Misandrist in the house, yet no warning. Could argue that she was making Khaled and Marcello's time in the house really uncomfortable for most of the series just to add that to the list.

5. Dean's insults towards Sarah about her appearance again could be argued that he deserved a warning for that because people in the house might be offended. But no warning from BB.

6. Emma making violent jokes about Lily, we all know that she's joking, but Housemates might be offended, so where's the warning BB?

7. Daze was apart of Just Stop Oil, which is very offensive to a lot of people in this country. Going by BB's logic she should be mindful of her fellow Housemates feelings on the group.

8. All series there has been debates about Marcello being Misogynistic, I don't agree with Ali or some of the public that feel that way, but BB has continued to allow Ali to put up with Marcello's behaviour that she doesn't like from him. Where's the warning?

9. Sarah herself made a joke about Thomas's missing hand earlier in the series, where was BB giving out a warning?

They basically **** themselves because they fear that the public will think that the Show is racist, where as I think that nobody could possibly think that this particular version is any ist or phobic, you'd have to be very politically extreme to think that imo.

My point being is that there's no consistency from BB.

[Mystic Mock]

And 10. Dean throwing items at Martha because he was angry. No warning.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And 10. Dean throwing items at Martha because he was angry. No warning.

Yeah tbh this surprised me,I thought BB would class it as aggressive behaviour. But Dean was a wet drip anyway,I don't even think BB took him seriously.

But yeah I read all the list of stuff ,and I agree . Also didn't Ali refer to the other group as "animals" or something?. I remember a few weeks ago ...it being talked about on here .

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

And as I said, she didn't cause anything. Charley wasn't even offended until others told her she should be

Look, it's good to have emotions, I am not saying be a robot, I am saying that if your emotions control you rather than the other way around then you are in trouble.

Existing in a state of perpetual offense is really unhealthy. It also makes every discussion emotion based which in turn makes it next to impossible to find a middle ground.

I agree with this part in particular.

The Emily situation though I have three stances on.

1. I think that Emily shouldn't have been thrown out over saying a slur. Because actions speak louder than words, even negative stuff. I know that I'm making a very controversial statement here, but it is how I feel.

2. Even if I were to concede my opinion on my first part (because I can understand the other side of the argument tbf) Emily was singing a lyric to a song if I'm not mistaken, so again no malice was intended.

At worst it should've been a warning off BB, but instead they overreacted.

And 3. I definitely understand why Charley was offended for obvious reasons.

[BBXX]

People have interpreted Ali to be a misandrist and nothing more, simply because she’s mentioned toxic masculinity which is a thing that exists. Ali shouldn’t be punished for criticising a behaviour trait that negatively impacts society and it’s silly to compare it to the utilisation of a government slogan used by a right-wing political party to campaign against migrants.

Most other examples above are levelled personally at someone specific. Martha’s clothing isn’t a minority group who have been victims of oppression.

To be honest the only other comments this season I have thought was close to the bone where several made by Marcello around women and when Hanah said “It’s giving famine”. I thought that was pretty inappropriate and out of touch.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I was asking a question. I personally don't use that term because of it's derogatory connotations, but again, it depends on the context of the way you use it. My point was it's socially acceptable for some, but not others. Oh to live in a world where the colour of your skin didn't matter. It's actually quite crazy when you think about it. Unfortunately it's in certain people's mindsets.

I personally don't like using racial slurs either.

Unless it's anti-white ones, because obviously it's more self-depricating in that scenario.

[Ammi]

…I don’t think that it was a warning as such…more of an explaining and that…(…I’m presuming…)…was prompted and came about because a housemate(s) had expressed that they didn’t feel comfortable with it/it didn’t sit right with them…if BB had done nothing, it could have escalated into another beast of negative stuff …so in calling Sarah in and explaining…it was kind of dealt with so it could be moved in from…I guess that I’m just not a believer in whataboutery type stuff or that one size fits all, type thing…whatever similarities can be attached, the differences are also important to note …(…for me…)…and I guess the main one here is that (we assume…)…no housemate expressed concerns/discomfort etc at any other actions/words…

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Like I said Emily did not have that rapport with Charley, they'd just met, plus it's how things are perceived whether we like it or not.

I'm not going to start calling white people " cracker" for a laugh, as I know it's offensive.


If Khaled had just met Ali and called her the D word ...I'm pretty sure she'd go ballistic. And as we know Ali already overthinks stuff ,so can you imagine.

If Khaled starts calling Ali a Dyke now, I'm going to start thinking that you've robbed my mystic powers.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah tbh this surprised me,I thought BB would class it as aggressive behaviour. But Dean was a wet drip anyway,I don't even think BB took him seriously.

But yeah I read all the list of stuff ,and I agree . Also didn't Ali refer to the other group as "animals" or something?. I remember a few weeks ago ...it being talked about on here .

Ali called three of them "Marsupials."

I wanna say they were Hanah, Khaled, and Segun.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If Khaled starts calling Ali a Dyke now, I'm going to start thinking that you've robbed my mystic powers.

I think it's unlikely to happen .

Also I don't think Sarah actually got a warning, otherwise BB would show it wouldn't they ?, and AJ didn't mention any warnings. It looks like BB just spoke to her .

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

People have interpreted Ali to be a misandrist and nothing more, simply because she’s mentioned toxic masculinity which is a thing that exists. Ali shouldn’t be punished for criticising a behaviour trait that negatively impacts society and it’s silly to compare it to the utilisation of a government slogan used by a right-wing political party to campaign against migrants.

Most other examples above are levelled personally at someone specific. Martha’s clothing isn’t a minority group who have been victims of oppression.

To be honest the only other comments this season I have thought was close to the bone where several made by Marcello around women and when Hanah said “It’s giving famine”. I thought that was pretty inappropriate and out of touch.

My point being that we're headed down a road where any "offensive" behaviour deemed by the public or the Housemates will equal BB giving the Housemate a telling off.

I mean BB did do that last night, they saw that three Housemates and a chunk of the public were going to be offended by the joke, and gave her a talking to/unofficial warning.

But other controversial moments in this series haven't been given the same treatment, that is wrong and it is bias against Sarah imo.

And personally I don't see why Hanah should be getting a warning over "it's giving famine" she isn't breaking any rules by saying this.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think it's unlikely to happen .

Also I don't think Sarah actually got a warning, otherwise BB would show it wouldn't they ?, and AJ didn't mention any warnings. It looks like BB just spoke to her .

I mean it may as well have been a warning, and considering that she didn't actually break any rules it is absurd.

Hanah, Khaled, and Segun do not run that house, if they don't like Sarah's comments there is one thing that they can do in the next round, and that's nominate her.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I personally don't like using racial slurs either.

Unless it's anti-white ones, because obviously it's more self-depricating in that scenario.

Totally get that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The comment directly offended a group of people in the house, why would they ignore it?

Being "offended" is just an opinion, and opinions shouldn't affect anything

(unless an actual slur or something is used)

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Ali called three of them "Marsupials."

I wanna say they were Hanah, Khaled, and Segun.

Because they're "in each other's pockets", so it makes sense.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Because they're "in each other's pockets", so it makes sense.

Personally I agree with your interpretation of what Ali meant.

But BB never had it clarified about what she meant as far as I'm aware.

I'm just calling for consistency in the Namby Pamby version of Big Brother UK.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The house is like a holiday romance... it moves fast and people get close fast.

Yes, Ali would probably go ballistic because she is an utter nightmare and would leverage it to it's fullest.

Its laughable to see you two still slaughtering Ali over something that hasn’t even happened

LOL


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[Beso]

Kahleds fake prayer when he was trying to get into the basement should have been given a warning as that will have offended many muslims watching.