[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You can't both sides this. None of this would have happened without the Haifa fans doing a hooliganism. Free Palestine is not chanting kill the Jews, is it? It's not even remotely similar. Free Palestine is a chant about peace, Kill the Arabs, let the IDF **** them, there are no schools in Gaza because the children are dead, are not peaceful chants.

Again, 15k Jews live peacefully and without danger In Amsterdam.

Free Palestine whilst attacking Jewish people is bit more of a course for concern.

So it is the very definition of a both sides situation, if both sides are doing bad things.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

But this was beating up Jewish Fans
by Palestine Political Groups
in the EU.

Some were kicked on the ground,


It is International News


President Biden said it was terrible


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cked-amsterdam

Biden hates the rise of anti-semitism in europe

he is old enough to remember the war

[Crimson Dynamo]

These mobs will be attacking Spurs fans next

very worrying times

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Free Palestine whilst attacking Jewish people is bit more of a course for concern.

So it is the very definition of a both sides situation, if both sides are doing bad things.

If someone attacks you but you fight back, are you both as bad as each other?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

"Free Palestine" was reportedly said though, how do you explain that?

I have no doubt about some of the Jewish being violent as well towards some of the Arab community either, to me they both seem to dehumanize each other so it just wouldn't surprise me.

In response to terrorist sympathisers chanting for Arabs to be raped and murdered while they attack innocent people and terrorise a town? I explain it as a consequence of thugs actions and in no way the same or comparable

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Both platforms are overwhelmingly flooded with right wing grievance.

You're bang on about YouTube.

Some of the opinions that right wing YouTubers have held on there is... Unique I'll politely call it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jews kicked, beaten and humiliated: How a night of ‘pogrom’ in Amsterdam unfolded


Fans of Maccabi Tel Aviv were subjected to attacks by pro-Palestine hooligans before and after their team’s Europa League match against Ajax



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-in-amsterdam/

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Mock, you're not stupid. If a bunch of foreign football hooligans rampaged through any city in England, you know exactly what would happen. One is the instigator and aggressor, the other isn't. It's fcuking wild that only because Israel is involved are people now defending and supporting hooligans.

Both don't exist without one side being the aggressor.

I'm not saying that the Jewish in this case are innocent though.

I'm just acknowledging that the response was also really bad.

[MTVN]

Surely we all know that all football fans have their elements of hooliganism, violence and bigotry. Surely we also all know that those do not make up 100% of a teams fan base.

Plenty of groups of English fans over the years have disgraced themselves on away days in Europe and at home. Doesn't mean that every single member of that fan base deserve to be abused, attacked and intimidated especially by assailants with racially charged motivations. But 'W Amsterdam' I guess.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If someone attacks you but you fight back, are you both as bad as each other?

That's self-defense so no.

But I'm even seeing pictures with some of them holding Hamas flags Slim, I think that some of them were being violent for Anti-Semitic motives.

But any that were just defending themselves from being attacked by violent Jewish people is legit imo, because obviously nobody should accept being violently attacked.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

In response to terrorist sympathisers chanting for Arabs to be raped and murdered while they attack innocent people and terrorise a town? I explain it as a consequence of thugs actions and in no way the same or comparable

Obviously that's also wrong, I agree with you on that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Surely we all know that all football fans have their elements of hooliganism, violence and bigotry. Surely we also all know that those do not make up 100% of a teams fan base.

Plenty of groups of English fans over the years have disgraced themselves on away days in Europe and at home. Doesn't mean that every single member of that fan base deserve to be abused, attacked and intimidated especially by assailants with racially charged motivations. But 'W Amsterdam' I guess.

Honest, match-going English fans got caught up with hooligans all the time.
"racially charged motivations" Oh you mean the fans that started it all off by shouting about gazan schools and killing Arabs?
w for honest brokerage, i guess.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

Do the locals always dress in flag?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Surely we all know that all football fans have their elements of hooliganism, violence and bigotry. Surely we also all know that those do not make up 100% of a teams fan base.

Plenty of groups of English fans over the years have disgraced themselves on away days in Europe and at home. Doesn't mean that every single member of that fan base deserve to be abused, attacked and intimidated especially by assailants with racially charged motivations. But 'W Amsterdam' I guess.

Indeed look at what Liverpool did in Europe

it resulted in a ban for all English clubs for 5 whole years

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You're bang on about YouTube.

Some of the opinions that right wing YouTubers have held on there is... Unique I'll politely call it.

Your algorithm takes you to them.

I dont see any on my suggestions.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

In response to terrorist sympathisers chanting for Arabs to be raped and murdered while they attack innocent people and terrorise a town? I explain it as a consequence of thugs actions and in no way the same or comparable

Donyou hold the same views on the recent riots in the UK? Especially in southport.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Honest, match-going English fans got caught up with hooligans all the time.
"racially charged motivations" Oh you mean the fans that started it all off by shouting about gazan schools and killing Arabs?
w for honest brokerage, i guess.

Oh that's okay then

And it's perfectly possible for groups on both sides to have racist motivations which is Mocks point and is surely self evident

[Crimson Dynamo]

And this also on eve of Kristallnacht anniversary.


No other way to describe this other than a modern-day pogrom!




These far-left mobs must be stopped

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Indeed look at what Liverpool did in Europe

it resulted in a ban for all English clubs for 5 whole years

I'm glad you're finally able to recognise the scourge of hooliganism. Remember when you liked LFC, but then didn't because of me

Being sad and pathetic doesn't illicit a negative response from me. try harder.

w mentioning liverpool I guess

[Beso]

Britain sending arms to macca tel Aviv.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DUV1TJa62/

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Oh that's okay then

And it's perfectly possible for groups on both sides to have racist motivations which is Mocks point and is surely self evident

Ahh yes, this is the new rule of just accepting footie fans in cities attacking and doing whatever they want. Point to one example of football hooliganism ever before being a both sides issue. Just one.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Ahh yes, this is the new rule of just accepting footie fans in cities attacking and doing whatever they want. Point to one example of football hooliganism ever before being a both sides issue. Just one.

Not sure I get you, football hooliganism is frequently a both sides issue with rival fan bases clashing

[Beso]

A post of the macca fans tearing down a Palestinian flag before the game was shared on left wing platforms to incite violence and retribution for this after the match.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not sure I get you, football hooliganism is frequently a both sides issue with rival fan bases clashing

My bad, I should have been more specific. So when one team/country goes into another country and attacks and instigates, when has that ever been labelled as both sides? I don't remember the English hooligans in the france WC being excused. Wasn't it called a scurge on the country or something like that?

Instead this has been turned around so that now it's the hooligan perpetrators who are the real victims.