[Christmas Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I don't mean to be harsh Ammi but no, a graphic description is not a graphic image and we're all adults, and we're in the "serious news" section not Chat & Games.

agreed

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

CCTV has apparently confirmed that he didn’t commit suicide. Hasn’t been released but it seems that he was so out of his face he fainted and fell.

That would marry up with him also falling over in the lobby, what I dont understand is how he was left alone, I thought he had people with him ...someone apologised for him in the lobby to a guest...poor guy a very sad ending for his family to now deal with

[Quantum Bauble]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That would marry up with him also falling over in the lobby, what I dont understand is how he was left alone, I thought he had people with him ...someone apologised for him in the lobby to a guest...poor guy a very sad ending for his family to now deal with

I imagine he would have security with him but if he didn't want them actually in his room they wouldn't be able to insist. "Fainted" I suspect is a generous way of putting it, let's face it, he passed out from a combination of substances. From the sound of the emergency services call that's been leaked, staff were extremely worried before anything happened, specifically that he's gone to his room and that the room "has a balcony" ... from which I'd say safe to assume, he was falling over/passing out all over the lobby before heading up to the room.

It's an odd/poetic end given that he spoke years ago about developing a bad relationship with alcohol early in their touring career, specifically because of being "locked in a hotel room all evening with a mini bar".

[UserSince2005]

I think he commited suicide hes talked too much about wanting to die for it to just be an accident.

[Pigeon Lady]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I don't mean to be harsh Ammi but no, a graphic description is not a graphic image and we're all adults, and we're in the "serious news" section not Chat & Games.

…honestly if that’s your stance, it doesn’t matter…it wasn’t anything to do with which part of the forum it was posted in…no it wasn’t an image but it quite graphically described an image so it still plants that image with someone and there is a very young age limit to be a member of the forum which includes being a member in every section… so I didn’t think it was appropriate or necessary to post in view of that…some things can’t be ‘unseen’ even when the vision has been supplied with text rather than any other image…so spoilering gave a choice…I did think that you would understand but ….I mean, what else can I say…post in which ever way that you feel inclined to…but I will correct you and say that…no, we’re not all adults on this forum, that’s not a forum requirement….

[Pigeon Lady]

Liam Payne: Three charged in connection with death of One Direction star, prosecutor's office says…


Three people have been charged in connection with the death of One Direction star Liam Payne in Argentina, the public prosecutor's office in the country has said.

The 31-year-old pop star died after he fell from a third-floor balcony at the Casa Sur Hotel in Buenos Aires on 16 October.

The prosecutor ordered the arrest of the three and charged one with "abandonment of a person followed by death" and supplying drugs.

The suspect "accompanied the artist on a daily basis" during his stay in the Argentinian capital, according to a statement from the office of prosecutor Andres Esteban Madrea.

A hotel employee and a third person were charged with supplying drugs.

Prosecutors rule out 'self-harm'

The prosecutor's office also said there was nothing to indicate any third-party involvement in his death and ruled out "self-harm".

The statement said Payne did not adopt a reflex posture to protect himself from the fall, meaning it can be inferred he may have fallen "in a state of semi or total unconsciousness".

"Liam Payne was not fully conscious or was experiencing a state of noticeable decrease or loss of consciousness at the time of the fall", it said.

It added that would "rule out the possibility of a conscious or voluntary act" as "in the state he was in, he did not know what he was doing nor could he understand it".

The results of toxicology tests revealed in the moments before his death Payne had traces of alcohol, cocaine, and a prescription antidepressant in his body, it added.

Read more:
Liam Payne: A life in the spotlight
He had the X Factor, but where was the support?

The investigation continues, the statement said, with some of Payne's devices still being analysed.

It said the prosecutor's office had received several dozen testimonies, analysed more than 800 hours of video from security cameras and public roads, and conducted a "forensic extraction" of the contents of Payne's phone.

It said the investigation revealed "at least four supplies of narcotics".

According to the post-mortem examination, Payne died from "multiple" injuries and internal and external bleeding.

Argentine investigators found what appeared to be narcotics and alcohol strewn around broken objects and furniture in Payne's hotel room, leading the public prosecution to surmise he had suffered a substance abuse-induced breakdown around the time of his fall.

Nine raids were also ordered on properties in Buenos Aires.

Release of new song postponed

It comes after new music featuring vocals by Liam Payne had its release date postponed.

US singer and songwriter Sam Pounds, who collaborated with Payne on Do No Wrong, previously said the track would be out on 1 November, but has since said its release had been postponed because "it's not the time yet".

Last month Payne's girlfriend of two years, Kate Cassidy, revealed the couple had planned on getting married next year. The 25-year-old had been in Argentina with Payne until two days before his death.

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Liam Payne: Three charged in connection with death of One Direction star, prosecutor's office says…


Three people have been charged in connection with the death of One Direction star Liam Payne in Argentina, the public prosecutor's office in the country has said.

The 31-year-old pop star died after he fell from a third-floor balcony at the Casa Sur Hotel in Buenos Aires on 16 October.

The prosecutor ordered the arrest of the three and charged one with "abandonment of a person followed by death" and supplying drugs.

The suspect "accompanied the artist on a daily basis" during his stay in the Argentinian capital, according to a statement from the office of prosecutor Andres Esteban Madrea.

A hotel employee and a third person were charged with supplying drugs.

Prosecutors rule out 'self-harm'

The prosecutor's office also said there was nothing to indicate any third-party involvement in his death and ruled out "self-harm".

The statement said Payne did not adopt a reflex posture to protect himself from the fall, meaning it can be inferred he may have fallen "in a state of semi or total unconsciousness".

"Liam Payne was not fully conscious or was experiencing a state of noticeable decrease or loss of consciousness at the time of the fall", it said.

It added that would "rule out the possibility of a conscious or voluntary act" as "in the state he was in, he did not know what he was doing nor could he understand it".

The results of toxicology tests revealed in the moments before his death Payne had traces of alcohol, cocaine, and a prescription antidepressant in his body, it added.

Read more:
Liam Payne: A life in the spotlight
He had the X Factor, but where was the support?

The investigation continues, the statement said, with some of Payne's devices still being analysed.

It said the prosecutor's office had received several dozen testimonies, analysed more than 800 hours of video from security cameras and public roads, and conducted a "forensic extraction" of the contents of Payne's phone.

It said the investigation revealed "at least four supplies of narcotics".

According to the post-mortem examination, Payne died from "multiple" injuries and internal and external bleeding.

Argentine investigators found what appeared to be narcotics and alcohol strewn around broken objects and furniture in Payne's hotel room, leading the public prosecution to surmise he had suffered a substance abuse-induced breakdown around the time of his fall.

Nine raids were also ordered on properties in Buenos Aires.

Release of new song postponed

It comes after new music featuring vocals by Liam Payne had its release date postponed.

US singer and songwriter Sam Pounds, who collaborated with Payne on Do No Wrong, previously said the track would be out on 1 November, but has since said its release had been postponed because "it's not the time yet".

Last month Payne's girlfriend of two years, Kate Cassidy, revealed the couple had planned on getting married next year. The 25-year-old had been in Argentina with Payne until two days before his death.

Delighted someone who was paid to be with him is not going to get off scot free

[Holly Christmas]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Delighted someone who was paid to be with him is not going to get off scot free

Same Cherie. Was the early hours of this morning when I read all this, and it makes it sadder than ever and goes a long way towards disputing Liam being a pathetic druggie and other uncharitable stuff that's been said about him. Vindication. He was preyed upon, he'd previously got clean. So something to be proud of. These vultures are all but capable of facilitating murder. Harsh? Not one bit. Throw away the key. And one of them being the person employed to so called look after him. Disgraceful. I doubt they have consciences in any way shape or form.

31. With his whole life ahead of him. This is and endless and senseless tragedy in every possible way. I'm sad all over again, heck I haven't stopped feeling sad from the very moment I first heard the news when I was in a state of utter shocked disbelief and deep sorrow.

This young man in particular meant a lot to me, and I'll openly share why. Because he's a similar age to my son, because he has a look of my son, a little physical resemblance. And his talent, its immense. I don't give two hoots that his record company dropped him. More fool them I say. Maybe they weren't able to milk him as much as they wanted to. Who knows?

From the moment he auditioned for the first time at the tender age of 14, Liam was something very special. He had it all, the voice, the cute fresh faced good looks, the attitude. He was so very humble. He took on board everything Simon said, and followed it to the letter. Went away and did his GCSE's. Came back and auditioned again at 16. The rest is history. One Direction were massive worldwide. Their flame burned brightly, they broke America, were popular globally and at home. Their fan base was out of this world, numbers wise. They disbanded at the ultimate peak of success to pursue solo projects, Liam's solo stuff was really good, his duet with Rita Ora was extremely beautiful. Nobody knew the struggles he was having behind the scenes for quite some time. Since his death the tributes have flooded in. I've read them all. He touched so many hearts and minds. I wish I'd been lucky enough to ever have personally met him and experienced the magic that would undoubtedly have brought me. God bless you Liam. Your light has been snuffed out far far too soon. I'll miss you forever.

Xxxxxxxx

[Good King Glennceslas]

He was still so high he fell off a balcony though…

I’m glad the ones that supplied the drugs are facing charges but let’s face it, he was a 31yr man, with his own mind. He chose to take the drugs.

[arista]

Yesterdays

[Cranbenny Jamin]

I understand the arrest for drug suppliers but people blaming them is ridiculous. He was an adult, he chose to take them and if they hadn’t supplied them he would have got them elsewhere. Liam is responsible for his own death.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I understand the arrest for drug suppliers but people blaming them is ridiculous. He was an adult, he chose to take them and if they hadn’t supplied them he would have got them elsewhere. Liam is responsible for his own death.

Of Course its his own doing

But Local Dealers for Junkies
must be arrested in that not-so-nice nation

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I understand the arrest for drug suppliers but people blaming them is ridiculous. He was an adult, he chose to take them and if they hadn’t supplied them he would have got them elsewhere. Liam is responsible for his own death.

Would you say the same about someone who had too much to drink, would you not keep an eye of them in case something happened to them? The guy said he left Liam chatting and joking in the lobby, but witnesses said he fell flat on his face and was agressive, and someone in his entourage apologised for his behaviour

[Cranbenny Jamin]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Would you say the same about someone who had too much to drink, would you not keep an eye of them in case something happened to them? The guy said he left Liam chatting and joking in the lobby, but witnesses said he fell flat on his face and was agressive, and someone in his entourage apologised for his behaviour

I was talking about the drug suppliers.

Maybe when he left Liam he was joking and chatting? We don’t know that wasn’t true. People can turn quickly in their moods, especially on drugs.

But with a friend who’s had too much to drink it depends how bad they were. If they were clearly stumbling and falling then you’d put them in their room and then leave them. You wouldn’t expect them to climb on a balcony.

As sad as it is, Liam is responsible for his own death. He chose to take drugs and get on the balcony.

[Cherie Christmas]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I was talking about the drug suppliers.

Maybe when he left Liam he was joking and chatting? We don’t know that wasn’t true. People can turn quickly in their moods, especially on drugs.

But with a friend who’s had too much to drink it depends how bad they were. If they were clearly stumbling and falling then you’d put them in their room and then leave them. You wouldn’t expect them to climb on a balcony.

As sad as it is, Liam is responsible for his own death. He chose to take drugs and get on the balcony.

Well yes technically but the sad thing is if someone cared enough he might be alive, obviously if someone chokes on their own vomit after too much to drink they are responsible for their own death but if someone cared enough to keep an eye on them a life could have been saved, also we dont know what the relationship was with this guy, if he was paid to look after Liam there must be some culpability because he was **** as his job

As for drug dealers well yes they peddle death

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I understand the arrest for drug suppliers but people blaming them is ridiculous. He was an adult, he chose to take them and if they hadn’t supplied them he would have got them elsewhere. Liam is responsible for his own death.

Completely agree.

He was 31. He didn’t need a babysitter.

[Quantum Bauble]

Originally Posted by Cherie

if he was paid to look after Liam there must be some culpability because he was **** as his job

Not unless he was legally classed as a vulnerable adult, and even then, if the responsible person in question isn't a healthcare professional, whether or not they have any "real" responsibility is dubious at best.

Bottom line is, he was an adult with full capacity to act with autonomy, so while they could follow him and keep an eye on him in public, if he went into his room and said that he didn't want anyone to come in with him, there's not much anyone could realistically have done.

That said

I reckon his staff (and from the sounds of it, hotel staff) were providing/facilitating access to drugs etc. so that's another matter.

[Zizu]

Did anything come of Neil Horan publicly criticising/embarrassing Liam days before the tragedy

( from what I recall Liam went to one of Neil Horan’s concerts and was shown to be interacting with some of the fans - perfectly understandable surely ?

Immediately after images of the interaction appeared online / X .. Neil posted some very disparaging remarks aimed at poor Liam suggesting he was desperate for attention or similar .. )


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[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Did anything come of Neil Horan publicly criticising/embarrassing Liam days before the tragedy

( from what I recall Liam went to one of Neil Horan’s concerts and was shown to be interacting with some of the fans - perfectly understandable surely ?

Immediately after images of the interaction appeared online / X .. Neil posted some very disparaging remarks aimed at poor Liam suggesting he was desperate for attention or similar .. )


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He was doing in authorised meet and greets outside the venue and tried making about himself inside the arena while Niall was performing.

Harry Styles watched the concert away from the audience to not take any attention from Niall.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He was doing in authorised meet and greets outside the venue and tried making about himself inside the arena while Niall was performing.

Harry Styles watched the concert away from the audience to not take any attention from Niall.

Interesting


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[Good King Glennceslas]

He was a very arrogant man.

His disastrous interview where he talked about someone laying their hands on him was hilarious and cringe.

[Holly Christmas]

Funny that how every single tribute to him..... and there were tons of them....say the exact opposite of him being in anyway arrogant.

He did a hell of a lot for charities, giving something back, to the tune of thousands upon thousands of pounds. But let's ignore all that and slam a dead young man eh?

Not an ounce of compassion some people.

[Good King Glennceslas]

He was extremely arrogant.
Arrogantly tried to hijack his friends concert by doing unofficial meet and greets and had to be asked to stop by Nialls security team.
And arrogantly took a cocktail of drugs he thought he could handle and fell off a balcony.
Arrogantly gave an interview where he embarrassed himself because it was so cringe.

Arrogant.

You have the likes of Rita Ora who is as about as relevant as Liam Paynes solo career crying about him at the awards last night or the other night whenever it was. It’s all so very cringe.

[Urwreatha]

I thought he did a really solid Gandalf impersonation

[ChristmasNeeve]

Closing this for 24 hours so you two can cool off