[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's what toddlers say when they lose at Snakes and Ladders, Parmy. "I didn't want to win anyway! "

Of course they wanted to win, they just knew early that they weren't going to, and so half-arsed the race.

They saw the books and gave up (by half arseing the race)...ie, didnt want to win.

Even a toddler can see that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

They saw the books and gave up (by half arseing the race)...ie, didnt want to win.

Even a toddler can see that.

They "saw" the books? Their own books? This as a supposition is very optimistic about how the Tories must view Labour, Parmy... because the only way this can be true, is if they believe that Labour will have to take the fall for the bad books (probable) but also relies on them then fixing the books in order for the Tories to re-enter power and take credit. That's the way that cycle works. If they thought the books were unfixable they'd have tried to hold onto power regardless for as long as possible.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

They "saw" the books? Their own books? This as a supposition is very optimistic about how the Tories must view Labour, Parmy... because the only way this can be true, is if they believe that Labour will have to take the fall for the bad books (probable) but also relies on them then fixing the books in order for the Tories to re-enter power and take credit. That's the way that cycle works. If they thought the books were unfixable they'd have tried to hold onto power regardless for as long as possible.

I would venture to say that what they saw isnt achievable to come back from. So they stood down knowing labour would blame them at the beginning of their term, but by the end of it(the important months) they public would blame labour for failing to right things, and also remember the necessary bad things at the begining that were only in place to right things.

I would say thw Tories know getting the ship steadied in that space of time is unachievable by then, yet perhaps achievable the following 5 years, after gains have been made the previous 5.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Beso

I would venture to say that what they saw isnt achievable to come back from. So they stood down knowing labour would blame them at the beginning of their term, but by the end of it(the important months) they public would blame labour for failing to right things, and also remember the necessary bad things at the begining that were only in place to right things.

I would say thw Tories know getting the ship steadied in that space of time is unachievable by then, yet perhaps achievable the following 5 years, after gains have been made the previous 5.

Think there probably is an element of that but that implies they're more coordinated and organised than the reality imo. I think Sunak largely gave up because the writing was on the wall but he's unlikely to be in a position of influence again. There's also lots of big Tories who lost their seats and their livelihoods because of the scale of the defeat. But yeah I think there's a fair few Tories who are very happy to be in opposition now and feel quite optimistic about their future

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Beso

They saw the books and gave up (by half arseing the race)...ie, didnt want to win.

Even a toddler can see that.

I don't even live there and it all sounds a mess. Nothing I would want to touch lol

Holding frequent elections undermines the impact of them, so can't say I would sign a petition for it. What circumstances have changed to warrant it outside it just being Labour, etc?

Yes online petitions are easier to game but they have a purpose I suppose...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Maru

I don't even live there and it all sounds a mess. Nothing I would want to touch lol

Holding frequent elections undermines the impact of them, so can't say I would sign a petition for it. What circumstances have changed to warrant it outside it just being Labour, etc?

Yes online petitions are easier to game but they have a purpose I suppose...

the only purpose it serves is to raise a discussion point in parliament, and even then, the government sets the priorities for debates, so it is likely to happen at the close of play next to a weekend when most people have already gone home

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Maru

I don't even live there and it all sounds a mess. Nothing I would want to touch lol

Holding frequent elections undermines the impact of them, so can't say I would sign a petition for it. What circumstances have changed to warrant it outside it just being Labour, etc?

Yes online petitions are easier to game but they have a purpose I suppose...

The petition is pointless.

It's simply labour's turn to be shite for 4 or more years, that's just how it is accepted in the UK.