[Redway]

Have you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

no

[Zizu]

Many …

[Kate!]

Yes several, quite severe ones. Not for years though cos I'm on medication.

[MTVN]

I've had two in my life, both quite a while ago now. Had no idea what was happening first time because it came out of nowhere, thought I was having a heart attack. Second time was a couple years later in the middle of the night, I felt pretty disoriented most of the next day from it

[user104658]

Not LT pretending that he's never lost his temper.

[Barry.]

The bus man had to get my dad because I had one on the bus, wasn’t good

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by The Grinch

The bus man had to get my dad because I had one on the bus, wasn’t good

I had one on a bus, had to get off. Everything was closing in on me.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

Not LT pretending that he's never lost his temper.

What do you mean? A panic attack is in no way akin to losing your temper.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

Not LT pretending that he's never lost his temper.

SB admitting panic attacks don't exist

You

Could

Not

Make

It

Up

😂

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

SB admitting panic attacks don't exist

You

Could

Not

Make

It

Up

😂

Only someone who's never had one can possibly say they don't exist. They do and it's very frightening especially the first time you ever have one.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

I had one on a bus, had to get off. Everything was closing in on me.

Yeah, my dad came and took me home I was lucky there was only a few on the bus at that point

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by The Grinch

Yeah, my dad came and took me home I was lucky there was only a few on the bus at that point

Awful isn't it?

First time I ever had one was when I was about to go to sleep and my head started to feel funny and woozy. Then I couldn't breathe. Was hyperventilating. Went to A and E cos I thought something was seriously wrong and they said I'd had a panic attack. After that they got frequent.

[LaLaLand]

I have panic disorder so sadly have them more than once weekly. Have done for over 15 years and each one is still as terrifying as the first.

I’m much better now in terms of frequency though, there was a period of time when I was in my early 20’s that I would have them on repeat for hours and hours for days on end and was genuinely house bound. Sadly though I seem to be having a resurgence with them for various reasons, it happens. Hopefully they die down in time for me to have an enjoyable Christmas.

You just lose all rationality and think you’re going to die. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by FaLaLaLand

I have panic disorder so sadly have them more than once weekly. Have done for over 15 years and each one is still as terrifying as the first.

I’m much better now in terms of frequency though, there was a period of time when I was in my early 20’s that I would have them on repeat for hours and hours for days on end and was genuinely house bound. Sadly though I seem to be having a resurgence with them for various reasons, it happens. Hopefully they die down in time for me to have an enjoyable Christmas.

You just lose all rationality and think you’re going to die. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

An excellent Summation. Spot on.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by The Grinch

The bus man had to get my dad because I had one on the bus, wasn’t good

I had one on the bus and ended up being carted off to hospital in an ambulance. Only to wait 2 hours in the waiting room just to be told what I already knew.

A kindly woman on the bus gave me water while I was waiting. I did appreciate that.

[Kate!]

I had one in a crowded shop, and again my head went all fuzzy and my breathing was erratic. I rushed out and left my shopping.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Only someone who's never had one can possibly say they don't exist. They do and it's very frightening especially the first time you ever have one.

Blame SB equating them to being mildly annoyed

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

Blame SB equating them to being mildly annoyed

Yes. Tut.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

Blame SB equating them to being mildly annoyed

I didn't equate them to a panic attack; I was referring to the fact that you should have picked option 3, unless you're claiming that you've never lost your cool and kicked off, and you don't strike me as "zen" champ

"experienced certain paroxysms in anxiety that almost came close"

Is the answer anyone who has ever properly lost their temper even in their younger years should choose. Which is almost everyone.

Rage is an anxiety mask. Fully losing one's temper is a panic response.

You'll have better interpersonal relationships if you can get your head around that .

[bots]

I had a panic attack that recurred for 4 or 5 days in a row. It really f'd me up at the time

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

I didn't equate them to a panic attack; I was referring to the fact that you should have picked option 3, unless you're claiming that you've never lost your cool and kicked off, and you don't strike me as "zen" champ

"experienced certain paroxysms in anxiety that almost came close"

Is the answer anyone who has ever properly lost their temper even in their younger years should choose. Which is almost everyone.

Rage is an anxiety mask. Fully losing one's temper is a panic response.

You'll have better interpersonal relationships if you can get your head around that .

You presume to know what other people are thinking and confidently generalise too much. Rage is an autonomic response, sure, and that’s something we’re all on the table with you with but that doesn’t make explosions of anger an inherent form of anxiety.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbred Goose

You presume to know what other people are thinking and confidently generalise too much. Rage is an autonomic response, sure, and that’s something we’re all on the table with you with but that doesn’t make explosions of anger an inherent form of anxiety.

Exactly. I'm in the panic disorder category and I've never once got angry, just extremely distressed. It did seem to be implied that that panic attacks are rage fuelled. That's how it came across from Quantum. Only sufferers can truly know how bad it is to suffer these attacks. Mine are hereditary, my mum and auntie both suffered them as well.and apparently it runs in families sometimes.

I know what my triggers were, long term abusive relationship and also my mums death. Everything had built up within my mind and body and I'd just pushed it all down, and got on with things after both experiences. Panic attacks are your brain and body saying "enough" and virtually breaking down. I had counselling which was a godsend. I got so.much out of it, cried buckets etc. Really unburdened.myself. I'm also.on medication probably for life which is fine for me. I'm far more balanced now, though my gambling was a major blip, I was showing signs again. I got more counselling and had a lot of support though, and dealt with it far better this time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Exactly. I'm in the panic disorder category and I've never once got angry, just extremely distressed. It did seem to be implied that that panic attacks are rage fuelled. That's how it came across from Quantum. Only sufferers can truly know how bad it is to suffer these attacks. Mine are hereditary, my mum and auntie both suffered them as well.and apparently it runs in families sometimes.

I know what my triggers were, long term abusive relationship and also my mums death. Everything had built up within my mind and body and I'd just pushed it all down, and got on with things after both experiences. Panic attacks are your brain and body saying "enough" and virtually breaking down. I had counselling which was a godsend. I got so.much out of it, cried buckets etc. Really unburdened.myself. I'm also.on medication probably for life which is fine for me. I'm far more balanced now, though my gambling was a major blip, I was showing signs again. I got more counselling and had a lot of support though, and dealt with it far better this time.

I'm sorry for what you've been through Kate and apologise if it was somehow implied that I was saying rage in inherent to anxiety. My own mum had severe issues with anxiety and depression which ultimately ended her life relatively young - and she was one of the gentlest souls I've yet to encounter. In my whole life I don't think I saw her lose her temper, even once.

I was not saying that outbursts of anger are inherent in people experiencing anxiety and, in fact, almost saying the opposite; what I'm saying is that anxiety is a root emotion that manifests in all sorts of ways, and is "masked" by all sorts of other emotions. When someone loses their temper (not when someone gets a bit mad about something -- when they lose control of their temper and lash out either verbally or physically) I am of the belief that 99% of the time what they are feeling in that moment, or at the very least, the building tension that ended in that outburst, is not "anger in itself" - it's anxiety. The shouty, angry men throwing their weight around are processing anxiety in an unhealthy way, because they've been socialised to believe that aggression is "better than" admitting to feelings of anxiety (which will be branded feminine or weak by those people).

It's not intended as a negative - realising that angry outbursts are usually rooted in anxiety is one of the best self-improvement steps a person can take if they actually want to have meaningful connections and happier lives. For one it stops angry outbursts and loss of control from being as likely in that person (if they are prone to that - like I said, I'm not for a second suggesting that all people who experience anxiety manifest it as rage). For another, it actually helps in understanding others, if you can appreciate that THEIR outbursts of anger are rooted in anxiety, fear, loneliness, frustration etc.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cranbred Goose

that doesn’t make explosions of anger an inherent form of anxiety.

All I can say on that is that we fundamentally disagree, other than to say I don't think it's a "form of anxiety", I think it's an emotion mask for anxiety. They are both adrenaline-based emotions (I'm sure we agree on that?) and thus it's very difficult to experience both at once due to the adregenic receptors being "busy" -- rage/anger overrides anxiety, or in colloquial terms, "Fight beats Flight" -- and crucially, anger is a much more comfortable emotion to experience, and it's also a shorter-lived emotion that "burns out" those receptors and results in catharsis (emotional numbness, anxiety relief) in the short term. People will choose easy rage over painful anxiety, for obvious reasons, and it's a learned behaviour that sets in early (mostly in men, because it's actively encouraged).

I think you probably do understand the theory behind this at a neuropsych level so it's not just about "assuming we know how people think and feel". You know fine well that's an accusation that could be levelled at all aspects of psychology, and is nowhere near the truth.