[Cherie]

Now now this was never going to happen, women were never going to be disadvantaged by men who think they are women, its all in our heads...and we need to get over it and suck it up and whatever other terms have been used over the years, when it is laid out in the stark vocabularly as above its hard to see how anyone can justify men accessing female spaces

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Making a statement like "I'm biologically female" can only help people realise how far and how ridiculous this stuff has gone - on the plus side. Such a shame for the actual female staff having to put up with this crap though, nursing is a difficult enough job as it is without having to face this stuff every time you go to work as well

I think it's what woke up most middle ground here is they didn't really believe the propaganda about how "extreme" the new wave really was... instead you have to see it for yourself, otherwise it's very easy to deny that people could be this insistent.

I would've never had to think about how grateful I would be when I was in a maternity ward for extensive hospitalization that there weren't men there present. I'm not a self-conscious type of person by any means so it's not like that, but I definitely was in a fragile state medically given I had to go on magnesium for postpartum preeclampsia and having women who understood the fragility of that was helpful in a stressful environment... I am not a fan of hospitals, I have learned.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

I think it's what woke up most middle ground here is they didn't really believe the propaganda about how "extreme" the new wave really was... instead you have to see it for yourself, otherwise it's very easy to deny that people could be this insistent.



I would've never had to think about how grateful I would be when I was in a maternity ward for extensive hospitalization that there weren't men there present. I'm not a self-conscious type of person by any means so it's not like that, but I definitely was in a fragile state medically given I had to go on magnesium for postpartum preeclampsia and having women who understood the fragility of that was helpful in a stressful environment... I am not a fan of hospitals, I have learned.

Absolutely.

That must have been a scary time for you. I just can't believe how some people are so unconcerned about women's feelings on these issues and act like we don't really care about them, that it's just an excuse to bash trans people. There are so many instances, just like your own example where women are in very vulnerable positions and really need or would prefer female only care and space

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely.

That must have been a scary time for you. I just can't believe how some people are so unconcerned about women's feelings on these issues and act like we don't really care about them, that it's just an excuse to bash trans people. There are so many instances, just like your own example where women are in very vulnerable positions and really need or would prefer female only care and space

It's an easy way to dismiss women, its the only explanation, I can't believe people cannot see the issues

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's an easy way to dismiss women, its the only explanation, I can't believe people cannot see the issues

Yeah, it's very frustrating

[Crimson Dynamo]

Failed and captured NHS allowed transgender doctor to use female facilities on advice of equalities officer

Instead of talking to lawyers, managers consulted human rights lead who said
Dr Beth Upton had a ‘right’ to access single-sex spaces

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...nister-advice/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Failed and captured NHS allowed transgender doctor to use female facilities on advice of equalities officer

Instead of talking to lawyers, managers consulted human rights lead who said
Dr Beth Upton had a ‘right’ to access single-sex spaces

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...nister-advice/

The Telegraph revealed on Monday that Ms Peggie has been called to a conduct meeting on Friday which NHS Fife has warned could lead to her being fired after a 30-year career....and they wonder why they can't get nurses.... way to treat long serving members of staff

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The Telegraph revealed on Monday that Ms Peggie has been called to a conduct meeting on Friday which NHS Fife has warned could lead to her being fired after a 30-year career....and they wonder why they can't get nurses.... way to treat long serving members of staff

The NHS is truly broken

[arista]

[Cherie]

oh wow at records being cleansed....what next fgs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

oh wow at records being cleansed....what next fgs

That is ludicrous and dangerous. I hope heads are going to roll

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That is ludicrous and dangerous. I hope heads are going to roll

and yet another reason for people to decide to self ID as the opposite sex...but that would never happen right

[Crimson Dynamo]

MEDICAL staff across NHS Scotland are taught sex is an 'evolving topic' as part of a
national training course. Workers are also told that using the wrong pronouns is
'microaggression', and they can choose their own sex based on how they feel – which
the NHS calls 'self-defined sex'.





https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scott...81625311031554

[Livia]

We should be proudof the NHS, we used to be. But I am so ashamed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scottish Labour conference rejects motion calling for single-sex spaces based on biology.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

MEDICAL staff across NHS Scotland are taught sex is an 'evolving topic' as part of a
national training course. Workers are also told that using the wrong pronouns is
'microaggression', and they can choose their own sex based on how they feel – which
the NHS calls 'self-defined sex'.





https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scott...81625311031554

I don't care about this in our day to day lives.

But when it comes to Medical Science and Biology, we do need the Doctors to be stating the facts.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't care about this in our day to day lives.

But when it comes to Medical Science and Biology, we do need the Doctors to be stating the facts.

The fact that doctors are called ' fat phobic' simply for telling a patient they're medically obese, there's not much hope regarding this gender mess....like I said society is cooked . We keep going further and further away from common sense & science....and it's actually worrying.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The fact that doctors are called ' fat phobic' simply for telling a patient they're medically obese, there's not much hope regarding this gender mess....like I said society is cooked . We keep going further and further away from common sense & science....and it's actually worrying.

It's definitely dangerous that Medical professionals can't be honest with their patients if they're having severe weight issues.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It's definitely dangerous that Medical professionals can't be honest with their patients if they're having severe weight issues.

That's not the part they need to be honest about though, they only need to be honest if the weight is the cause or a contributor in a specific medical issue.

"Being fat" is not a medical problem. However, someone who is overweight might well have high blood pressure and a doctor should be able to tell them that this is because of their weight. Or they might be having knee/joint issues that are down to weight and diet. High cholesterol, blood sugar issues, etc... Those are weight related health problems.

Ehat can happen though is a doctor taking one look at an overweight person and ASSUMING that their health issue is because of their weight without fully assessing. Which should never be the case.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's not the part they need to be honest about though, they only need to be honest if the weight is the cause or a contributor in a specific medical issue.

"Being fat" is not a medical problem. However, someone who is overweight might well have high blood pressure and a doctor should be able to tell them that this is because of their weight. Or they might be having knee/joint issues that are down to weight and diet. High cholesterol, blood sugar issues, etc... Those are weight related health problems.

Ehat can happen though is a doctor taking one look at an overweight person and ASSUMING that their health issue is because of their weight without fully assessing. Which should never be the case.

I do agree with you on this tbf.

Because obviously the Doctors shouldn't be presumptuous either.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's not the part they need to be honest about though, they only need to be honest if the weight is the cause or a contributor in a specific medical issue.

"Being fat" is not a medical problem. However, someone who is overweight might well have high blood pressure and a doctor should be able to tell them that this is because of their weight. Or they might be having knee/joint issues that are down to weight and diet. High cholesterol, blood sugar issues, etc... Those are weight related health problems.

Ehat can happen though is a doctor taking one look at an overweight person and ASSUMING that their health issue is because of their weight without fully assessing. Which should never be the case.

QB I'm not talking about doctors making " assumptions", there's obese people... especially in the ' body positivity ' movement,who have been diagnosed with health issues...but if you tried telling them that , they'd be offended or sooner shut you down.

And they don't like a doctor being honest with them , despite a doctor running tests and finding out they have high cholesterol ,high blood pressure ,and increased risk of diabetes. In fact some of them are already diabetic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This sign was posted outside the bathroom at a rec center in Australia. Yes, this is real.

[Crimson Dynamo]

An NHS board gave a transgender doctor access to a female changing room
without consulting regulators about laws that protect women’s safe spaces at
work, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) confirmed it had held no discussions
with NHS Fife about the regulations that require employers to provide separate
sex changing facilities.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...oom-regulator/


top comment:

"Basically, some bloke has decided he wants to intrude in the women's
changing rooms for.his own personal satisfaction, and NHS Fife have
responded by telling their nurses that stripping for whatever random man
walks into their space is a requirement of the job. Outrageous abuse from an
employer, especially one whose business is basically human biology."

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's not the part they need to be honest about though, they only need to be honest if the weight is the cause or a contributor in a specific medical issue.

"Being fat" is not a medical problem. However, someone who is overweight might well have high blood pressure and a doctor should be able to tell them that this is because of their weight. Or they might be having knee/joint issues that are down to weight and diet. High cholesterol, blood sugar issues, etc... Those are weight related health problems.

Ehat can happen though is a doctor taking one look at an overweight person and ASSUMING that their health issue is because of their weight without fully assessing. Which should never be the case.

I mean, obesity is literally in the DSM.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

I mean, obesity is literally in the DSM.

I stand by what I said; someone who is overweight doesn't "not know" that they're overweight, and certainly someone who is obese (as you say obesity is a diagnosis - which is not the same as overweight) knows that their weight is "not healthy". The only reason a doctor needs to mention it, is to tell them that it's affecting their health in a specific way (e.g. diabetes, their joints, heart, high blood pressure, fatty organs) or to make sure that they're aware that it puts them at higher risk of those things.