[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ray.

It was so obviously a joke, I don't think many are in doubt of that. The real trouble arose when he apologised or was attempting to, and she tried to further explain to him why she found it so offensive, which he then seemed to take as her twisting the knife further and lording it over him. That's when things went way off the rails for them both.

Yes THAT is the moment it really went downhill .. he could/should have handled the situation far better

That said we don’t know his mindset at that moment .. he had just been given a serious shock / warning by BB … he was presumably upset / annoyed/ confused / jet lagged / anxious being surrounded by everyone and maybe if JoJo had waited an hour or so to ‘educate’ him then things could have been soooo different

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It was all said tongue in cheek ( as he explained later ) plus he was smiling all the time

I think it was probably just his sense of humour that didn’t quite hit the mark


Then that comment suggesting that he could turn her given a few more days is something straight guys have always said jokingly to or about lesbians .. its that old fashioned / outdated style of humour

…that sort of ‘humour’ is something that you would have to know someone very well to know how they would take it and that it wouldn’t offend…he not only doesn’t know JoJo but inferred that he wasn’t keen on her …and if you’re saying that it’s something that’s specifically said about lesbians…?…then it’s targeting and it’s prejudice and there’s no two ways with that so a warning was absolutely the correct call…

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He was definitely joking, you can see him laughing.He probably got angry as well and things escalated.
Then he apologized.
I don't think they see eye to eye.

By using offensive language repeatedly.

I could call you the idiot of TiBB and say “I’m only joking”

Would you be okay with that?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Jokes can still be bullying, jokes can still be homophobic, jokes can still be predatory. It was a joke to HIM. Other people smiled with discomfort and out of shock but zero of the others laughed with him. Age or fame doesn't give anyone a free pass for anything, people should only be respected if they respect others.

But look how RESPECTFUL he was towards Trish in an earlier conversation .. he was very attentive and interested even thoughtful enough to make sure she had someone in her life to help out …

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf jokes are fine imo, it's the other persons problem if they're getting offended by a joke I personally feel.

I personally do doubt if Mickey was really joking though, I suspect that he was looking for a reaction from Jojo, but it escalated further than he was expecting.

I think that Mickey is trying to be the troll of the Season.

He did admit that he occasionally says things to get a reaction but I don’t think he’s got a cruel heart

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…even if it was intended as a ‘joke’, he did let it slip that he didn’t like JoJo and JoJo was the one who he decided to lay that joke with…it feels that whether he intended to offend or not…?…he really had no care that he did because it was directed at someone that he didn’t like very much…

Everything had blown up out of proportion by then though PLUS he’d had a couple of people telling him that he couldn’t say this or that .. he himself may have felt intimidated at that time

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He was definitely joking, you can see him laughing.He probably got angry as well and things escalated.
Then he apologized.
I don't think they see eye to eye.

Yes we tend to forget that we see about 20 minutes out of 24 hours each day so we miss all the other interactions

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yes THAT is the moment it really went downhill .. he could/should have handled the situation far better

That said we don’t know his mindset at that moment .. he had just been given a serious shock / warning by BB … he was presumably upset / annoyed/ confused / jet lagged / anxious being surrounded by everyone and maybe if JoJo had waited an hour or so to ‘educate’ him then things could have been soooo different

…maybe if he had waited until he and JoJo knew each other well and ensure that she realised that he was joking…everything stemmed from that and his words and interaction that made her feel upset and uncomfortable and she would also be upset, annoyed, confused, jet lagged and anxious in that moment…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…that sort of ‘humour’ is something that you would have to know someone very well to know how they would take it and that it wouldn’t offend…he not only doesn’t know JoJo but inferred that he wasn’t keen on her …and if you’re saying that it’s something that’s specifically said about lesbians…?…then it’s targeting and it’s prejudice and there’s no two ways with that so a warning was absolutely the correct call…

You are assuming he’s a straight forward character living a normal life style and will behave accordingly


It is clear that he is far from that

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Everything had blown up out of proportion by then though PLUS he’d had a couple of people telling him that he couldn’t say this or that .. he himself may have felt intimidated at that time

…the people who ‘blew it’ were BB because they gave him an official warning for his own behaviour …that was the proportion that was felt warranted in terms of his own interaction and words…

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You are assuming he’s a straight forward character living a normal life style and will behave accordingly


It is clear that he is far from that

…I’m assuming nothing, Zizu…I know nothing of him or his lifestyle etc but that doesn’t change anything of what was said…I’m not sure if you’re assuming that it would or does but I’m not…

[Glenn.]

It’s a sorry state of affairs when you have people defending homophobia.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…maybe if he had waited until he and JoJo knew each other well and ensure that she realised that he was joking…everything stemmed from that and his words and interaction that made her feel upset and uncomfortable and she would also be upset, annoyed, confused, jet lagged and anxious in that moment…

Part of me wonders why such a confident, supposedly high achieving, flamboyant person was apparently made to feel upset and uncomfortable .. over a few tongue in cheek comments

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m assuming nothing, Zizu…I know nothing of him or his lifestyle etc but that doesn’t change anything of what was said…I’m not sure if you’re assuming that it would or does but I’m not…

I’m suggesting that he is an ageing , complex , severely damaged individual

I said when he went in that he was an interesting/intriguing character with violent tendencies and a short fuse

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Part of me wonders why such a confident, supposedly high achieving, flamboyant person was apparently made to feel upset and uncomfortable .. over a few tongue in cheek comments

…maybe the other part of you could try to wonder why he would make the comments he did to a young woman who he has no knowledge of at all in terms of her confidence or any other aspect of her life or character…I mean, he’s confident and flamboyant Mickey Rourke, why would an hour be waited as a better time to talk to him over a few tongue and cheek comments…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…maybe the other part of you could try to wonder why he would make the comments he did to a young woman who he has no knowledge of at all in terms of her confidence or any other aspect of her life or character…I mean, he’s confident and flamboyant Mickey Rourke, why would an hour be waited as a better time to talk to him over a few tongue and cheek comments…

If we saw more than 20 minutes of footage out of every 24 hours then I could probably tell you

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

If we saw more than 20 minutes of footage out of every 24 hours then I could probably tell you

…and yet you didn’t need the rest of that 24 footage to wonder why someone would feel upset and uncomfortable at a directed upsetting and uncomfortable remark….

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…and yet you didn’t need the rest of that 24 footage to wonder why someone would feel upset and uncomfortable at a directed upsetting and uncomfortable remark….

Completely different imho

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Completely different imho

…it really isn’t, not at all….

[Livia]

He was warned for calling her a lesbian. Is she not a lesbian?

He was so clearly joking and she's too young and stupid to know. She cried ffs... If they're the hurtiest words she ever hears I hope she never joins TiBB.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Livia

He was warned for calling her a lesbian. Is she not a lesbian?

He was so clearly joking and she's too young and stupid to know. She cried ffs... If they're the hurtiest words she ever hears I hope she never joins TiBB.

He called her a fag.

I swear some people will bend over backwards to excuse homophobia. His behaviour was completely out of line and there's no excuse that works. It's not the same as a light hearted joke at all.

For a 21 year old young woman to go into the house and just hours later be called the most extreme homophobic slur, she had every right to be upset and she actually handled the situation a lot better than the washed up bully who tried to humiliate her.

[arista]

It was debated,
around 10:58AM on This Morning ITV1HD.


Funny having Dermot
talking about it.
a Former Big Brother long-time, host.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Abra

He called her a fag.

I swear some people will bend over backwards to excuse homophobia. His behaviour was completely out of line and there's no excuse that works. It's not the same as a light hearted joke at all.

For a 21 year old young woman to go into the house and just hours later be called the most extreme homophobic slur, she had every right to be upset and she actually handled the situation a lot better than the washed up bully who tried to humiliate her.

He's American. Try to find Maru's explanation for the word 'fag', she's one of our American members. Frankly I can't be bothered to engage with this weepy, self-indulgent crap. I've been called names all my life including on thus forum. I don't need to cry on someone's shoulder.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Abra

He called her a fag.

I swear some people will bend over backwards to excuse homophobia. His behaviour was completely out of line and there's no excuse that works. It's not the same as a light hearted joke at all.

For a 21 year old young woman to go into the house and just hours later be called the most extreme homophobic slur, she had every right to be upset and she actually handled the situation a lot better than the washed up bully who tried to humiliate her.

After she shot down his creepy conversation about tying her up and turning her straight and he realised he’d been rejected, he moved on to bullying her by talking everyone he was going to evict the lesbian, twice. Then called her fag.

But it’s ok! It was a joke!

This is the climate on TiBB now. The Right wing hate gay people and people who stick up for minorities. They will excuse anything and any behaviour if it pisses off people that they deem woke.

It’s pathetic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Abra

He called her a fag.

During Wednesday's (April 9) episode, the Hollywood actor asks US sensation
JoJo: "Where’s the smoke room? Where’s the cigarette room?
Mickey then says: "I need a fag" and then gestures to JoJo and says: "I’m not
talking to you." Chris responds: "Mickey, you can’t say that" but the actor says:
"I know. I was talking about a cigarette."