[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't remember that

Sarah's joke that got her a warning in the last civilian series, even though there's nothing against the rules of BB or even in UK law against stop the gloats or stop the boats.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Sarah's joke that got her a warning in the last civilian series, even though there's nothing against the rules of BB or even in UK law against stop the gloats or stop the boats.

Ah yes. That was ridiculous

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

That was honestly ridiculous and they did Sarah over with that.

The production resented her presence after she got precious Dean evicted for being a knob.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Maru

I'm surprised the cast hasn't just become at least 50% Youtubers and Instagram folk. There's got be enough unbusted egos on both those platforms to really set the fireworks off... it's not like many of the names they have now are more well-known to the target demographic.




It's not?



"Fag" is often used as a synonym to a complete idiot, someone who acts so ridiculous it's incredibly annoying and aggravating... but in this context, he's certainly using it for homosexuality. The former definition was used really heavily in the 90s among the young. So it has a non-sexual connotation on the side... but it's certainly always an insult. So it's entirely possible he not only insulted her sexuality, but also her mentality.



Her mask really slipped, I think. Her comment in the diary room along the lines where she said "I think what you have to do in the Big Brother house is care for others" ... she's been there 1 day.

No, fag is not used in a non-homophobic way in the US. It’s a big no-no, period. It doesn’t matter the intent. It’s homophobic, period and has a horrendous history in the US.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by letmein

No, fag is not used in a non-homophobic way in the US. It’s a big no-no, period. It doesn’t matter the intent. It’s homophobic, period and has a horrendous history in the US.

That's not true. It's still used in the other non-homophobic definition even today and it's an acceptable use of it as another type of insult. Kind of like how (the n-word) is used outside of being a direct racial slur, it has a friendly, fluid use-case. Re-appropriating language for amusing effect is very American. Though how appropriate a re-appropriated interpretation can be determined by the listener, I suppose.

It's possible Mickey thought that playing around with Jojo would be more appropriate since she would know that we use fluid language. The language suddenly is less fluid in popular media in recent years, but common American English used among normal people is not treated that strictly... I've never seen anyone chewed out for using fag in the looser variant. It's usually a word that's tossed around in a joking manner among friends... though Mickey was using it in a way that was not casual like that and using the slur variant to press buttons...

[Ammi]

…tbf, I’ve read many comments on other sites…(…comments from American people…)…and the overwhelming vibe seems to be that it’s a much outdated British expression for a cigarette and this was an American using the term to another American so it felt very intentional in its slur…

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…tbf, I’ve read many comments on other sites…(…comments from American people…)…and the overwhelming vibe seems to be that it’s a much outdated British expression for a cigarette and this was an American using the term to another American so it felt very intentional in its slur…

Yes, Mickey was playing on the slur. I thought he made that pretty clear based on the chat they were having.

Fag is known here to be a cigarette in the UK because the common joke when using the word "fag", just in case the wrong person happens to hear, we were actually talking about cigarettes... etc. It's a word people like to say and use in or out of context because it sounds funny for them in conversation. In fact the connection to British cigarettes makes it cooler to some...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yes, Mickey was playing on the slur. I thought he made that pretty clear based on the chat they were having.

Fag is known here to be a cigarette in the UK because the common joke when using the word "fag", just in case the wrong person happens to hear, we were actually talking about cigarettes... etc. It's a word people like to say and use in or out of context because it sounds funny for them in conversation. In fact the connection to British cigarettes makes it cooler to some...

…it’s interesting isn’t it, that it’s that word/slur that seems to be the main focus of that Mickey dialogue…not just as a contentious talking point but also for JoJo, it felt…?…when before that, he had said that she wouldn’t be a lesbian anymore, so basically inferring that he would have sex with her if they were there more than 4 days…and when she said that wouldn’t happen and laughed it off, he said he would tie her up….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s interesting isn’t it, that it’s that word/slut that seems to be the main focus of that Mickey dialogue…not just as a contentious talking point but also for JoJo, it felt…?…when before that, he had said that she wouldn’t be a lesbian anymore, so basically inferring that he would have sex with her if they were there more than 4 days…and when she said that wouldn’t happen and laughed it off, he said he would tie her up….

Yeah, honestly that part is so creepy, worse imo

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s interesting isn’t it, that it’s that word/slut that seems to be the main focus of that Mickey dialogue…not just as a contentious talking point but also for JoJo, it felt…?…when before that, he had said that she wouldn’t be a lesbian anymore, so basically inferring that he would have sex with her if they were there more than 4 days…and when she said that wouldn’t happen and laughed it off, he said he would tie her up….

I'm hoping that he meant that Ella or Angelica had volunteered to have Fifty Shades Of Grey styled sex with Jojo, but he got tongue tied and made himself look like the creep.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, honestly that part is so creepy, worse imo

In all seriousness, I do agree with you.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s interesting isn’t it, that it’s that word/slur that seems to be the main focus of that Mickey dialogue…not just as a contentious talking point but also for JoJo, it felt…?…when before that, he had said that she wouldn’t be a lesbian anymore, so basically inferring that he would have sex with her if they were there more than 4 days…and when she said that wouldn’t happen and laughed it off, he said he would tie her up….

I thought that was going to be the warning initially because he was basically discussing converting someone potentially against their will, using ropes(!).

[bots]

i still believe it all started as a joke, and when people said you can't say that he became more and more defensive which is why it ended up where it did

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by bots

i still believe it all started as a joke, and when people said you can't say that he became more and more defensive which is why it ended up where it did

It was so obviously a joke, I don't think many are in doubt of that. The real trouble arose when he apologised or was attempting to, and she tried to further explain to him why she found it so offensive, which he then seemed to take as her twisting the knife further and lording it over him. That's when things went way off the rails for them both.

[Jessica.]

Jokes can still be bullying, jokes can still be homophobic, jokes can still be predatory. It was a joke to HIM. Other people smiled with discomfort and out of shock but zero of the others laughed with him. Age or fame doesn't give anyone a free pass for anything, people should only be respected if they respect others.

[bots]

you have just defined a joke, not everyone finds it funny, thats the way it works

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Jokes can still be bullying, jokes can still be homophobic, jokes can still be predatory. It was a joke to HIM. Other people smiled with discomfort and out of shock but zero of the others laughed with him. Age or fame doesn't give anyone a free pass for anything, people should only be respected if they respect others.

Tbf jokes are fine imo, it's the other persons problem if they're getting offended by a joke I personally feel.

I personally do doubt if Mickey was really joking though, I suspect that he was looking for a reaction from Jojo, but it escalated further than he was expecting.

I think that Mickey is trying to be the troll of the Season.

[Ammi]

…the thing with ‘jokes’ is that they have to be a two way thing…what’s intended and what’s taken…and JoJo was upset/in tears after the interaction because for her it wasn’t a joke…there are lots of layers/levels of it that wouldn’t have been a joke for many people, I think…and there was something said on the late show that was very thought provocative of it all…that from the LGBT community, lesbian’s can be targeted so much and are so vulnerable…JoJo had said that she would still be a lesbian and that she would still be in a relationship with her partner etc…so if we took away the fact that she was a lesbian…?…and Mickey had inferred that he would have sex with her and tie her up even for that to happen…?…would it be acceptable to say that to a female in an established relationship, would that be ok and just a jokey thing also…joking or not, he had a warning because his words were unacceptable, whatever level they came from…

[Ammi]

…even if it was intended as a ‘joke’, he did let it slip that he didn’t like JoJo and JoJo was the one who he decided to lay that joke with…it feels that whether he intended to offend or not…?…he really had no care that he did because it was directed at someone that he didn’t like very much…

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…the thing with ‘jokes’ is that they have to be a two way thing…what’s intended and what’s taken…and JoJo was upset/in tears after the interaction because for her it wasn’t a joke…there are lots of layers/levels of it that wouldn’t have been a joke for many people, I think…and there was something said on the late show that was very thought provocative of it all…that from the LGBT community, lesbian’s can be targeted so much and are so vulnerable…JoJo had said that she would still be a lesbian and that she would still be in a relationship with her partner etc…so if we took away the fact that she was a lesbian…?…and Mickey had inferred that he would have sex with her and tie her up even for that to happen…?…would it be acceptable to say that to a female in an established relationship, would that be ok and just a jokey thing also…joking or not, he had a warning because his words were unacceptable, whatever level they came from…

The whole reason he started it was because she said she liked girls so he wouldn't say it about a straight girl. You could see him seething the second she answered his question.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

The whole reason he started it was because she said she liked girls so he wouldn't say it about a straight girl. You could see him seething the second she answered his question.

You definitely cant see him seething as his face is so botoxed and plastic it shows no visible sign of emotion

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

You definitely cant see him seething as his face is so botoxed and plastic it shows no visible sign of emotion

I'll tag you in a clip of it if I have free time tonight.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…the thing with ‘jokes’ is that they have to be a two way thing…what’s intended and what’s taken…and JoJo was upset/in tears after the interaction because for her it wasn’t a joke…there are lots of layers/levels of it that wouldn’t have been a joke for many people, I think…and there was something said on the late show that was very thought provocative of it all…that from the LGBT community, lesbian’s can be targeted so much and are so vulnerable…JoJo had said that she would still be a lesbian and that she would still be in a relationship with her partner etc…so if we took away the fact that she was a lesbian…?…and Mickey had inferred that he would have sex with her and tie her up even for that to happen…?…would it be acceptable to say that to a female in an established relationship, would that be ok and just a jokey thing also…joking or not, he had a warning because his words were unacceptable, whatever level they came from…

Oh if he was joking then I personally didn't find it funny.

But I just do have my doubts on if that was his intention to begin with.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm hoping that he meant that Ella or Angelica had volunteered to have Fifty Shades Of Grey styled sex with Jojo, but he got tongue tied and made himself look like the creep.

It was all said tongue in cheek ( as he explained later ) plus he was smiling all the time

I think it was probably just his sense of humour that didn’t quite hit the mark


Then that comment suggesting that he could turn her given a few more days is something straight guys have always said jokingly to or about lesbians .. its that old fashioned / outdated style of humour

[Vanessa]

He was definitely joking, you can see him laughing.He probably got angry as well and things escalated.
Then he apologized.
I don't think they see eye to eye.