[arista]

Live Debate on LBC
right now


He is trying to talk up problems

[Cherie]

Finally, a ruling or common sense

[arista]

[arista]

get in your lane


The Supreme Judge
has Ruled today Live

[Crimson Dynamo]

Badenoch: You cannot change your biological sex

Kemi Badenoch has said “you cannot change your biological sex” as she reacted
to the Supreme Court’s ruling.

“Saying ‘trans women are women’ was never true in fact, and now isn’t true in
law either,” the leader of the Conservative Party said.

“This is a victory for all of the women who faced personal abuse or lost their
jobs for stating the obvious. Women are women and men are men: you cannot
change your biological sex.

“The era of Keir Starmer telling us women can have penises has come to an
end. Well done to For Women Scotland!”

[Crimson Dynamo]

Susan Smith and Marion Calder, the directors of For Women Scotland, crack open champagne after the Supreme Court’s ruling

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sharron Davies MBE
@sharrond62

From now on I don’t want to see any media outlet refer to a man in a dress
who rapes, abuses or murders someone as a woman! These are NOT our
crimes.

what Sharon, like this? : https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rsery-35056718

https://x.com/Glinner/status/1912132816420163897

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Supreme Court’s ruling has “badly let down” transgender people, the
Scottish Greens have said.

A pro-transgender group has claimed gender-critical campaigners have “links to
the global far-Right” as it condemned the Supreme Court’s ruling.

In a statement, Labour for Trans Rights said: “The Supreme Court’s decision is
hugely disappointing, and a result of ceaseless lobbying from
a well-funded anti-trans network with links to the global far-Right.

[Vicky.]

Common sense, can't believe it took this long

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The Supreme Court’s ruling has “badly let down” transgender people, the
Scottish Greens have said.

A pro-transgender group has claimed gender-critical campaigners have “links to
the global far-Right” as it condemned the Supreme Court’s ruling.

In a statement, Labour for Trans Rights said: “The Supreme Court’s decision is
hugely disappointing, and a result of ceaseless lobbying from
a well-funded anti-trans network with links to the global far-Right.

Oh not the Far Right again...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh not the Far Right again...

Sex matters in a lot of ways especially for women and so we need to keep a clear definition. Putting this down to some far right agenda is a way of trying to shut down very real and genuine concerns women have. It matters for us in so many different cases. I can't believe some people - even after rapists had been sent to women's prisons on some occasions and attempted to be sent to on others - still try to act like women don't really care about protecting our rights and spaces and "just hate transwomen" That isn't to say that there aren't groups who've jumped on that wagon because they are far right just like groups with more nefarious reasons will have joined the opposite "side", unfortunately that's just life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ash Regan MSP@AshReganMSP

@ForWomenScot
won their appeal in the Supreme Court.

Women’s concerns were valid, women’s rights do matter and the Supreme
Court have confirmed the law matches biological reality.

3 Scottish mums humiliated the Scottish Government. This cannot be without consequences!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sex matters in a lot of ways especially for women and so we need to keep a clear definition. Putting this down to some far right agenda is a way of trying to shut down very real and genuine concerns women have. It matters for us in so many different cases. I can't believe some people - even after rapists had been sent to women's prisons on some occasions and attempted to be sent to on others - still try to act like women don't really care about protecting our rights and spaces and "just hate transwomen" That isn't to say that there aren't groups who've jumped on that wagon because they are far right just like groups with more nefarious reasons will have joined the opposite "side", unfortunately that's just life.

Indeed, its like talking to a brick wall though in some cases

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Sandie Peggie ruling is now very much in focus..

[BBXX]

Many think this will make women safer, but it won't really, because women aren't at risk from trans women, they are at risk from cis men, who if they want to attack a woman will do just that.

The next stop will likely be ensuring all trans people use the bathroom of the sex they were born as which will result in a load of bearded, muscular trans men sharing a space with biological women. We'll see how well that goes down

[Crimson Dynamo]

JK Rowling hails Supreme Court ruling


The Harry Potter author shared posts on X from For Women Scotland and the commentator Samantha Smith celebrating the judgment.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Many think this will make women safer, but it won't really, because women aren't at risk from trans women, they are at risk from cis men, who if they want to attack a woman will do just that.

The next stop will likely be ensuring all trans people use the bathroom of the sex they were born as which will result in a load of bearded, muscular trans men sharing a space with biological women. We'll see how well that goes down

This is bad logic and not how safe guarding works. Women are at risk from predatory men, men who would use any loophole to get easy access to their victims. It's kind of like saying burglars will burgal anyway so no one should lock their houses or get an alarm.

The type of access you're giving men by allowing self ID (AKA allowing any man at all to simply say they are a woman) is access to women for example who are in prison and would have no way at all to remove themselves from a very dangerous situation should some rapist declare he's a woman upon his arrest.

What you're taking away from women and girls is the right to complain and raise the alarm if some creepy dude is hanging around the women's changing room but says "I'm a woman" when approached.

Yes predatory men will find victims but we don't make that easier for them and limit ways for women to make themselves safer. We don't allow them unrestricted access to women when they're at their very most vulnerable ie in a state of undress or unable to leave because it's a prison..

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Many think this will make women safer, but it won't really, because women aren't at risk from trans women, they are at risk from cis men, who if they want to attack a woman will do just that.

The next stop will likely be ensuring all trans people use the bathroom of the sex they were born as which will result in a load of bearded, muscular trans men sharing a space with biological women. We'll see how well that goes down

Yep.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is bad logic and not how safe guarding works. Women are at risk from predatory men, men who would use any loophole to get easy access to their victims. It's kind of like saying burglars will burgal anyway so no one should lock their houses or get an alarm.

The type of access you're giving men by allowing self ID (AKA allowing any man at all to simply say they are a woman) is access to women for example who are in prison and would have no way at all to remove themselves from a very dangerous situation should some rapist declare he's a woman upon his arrest.

What you're taking away from women and girls is the right to complain and raise the alarm if some creepy dude is hanging around the women's changing room but says "I'm a woman" when approached.

Yes predatory men will find victims but we don't make that easier for them and limit ways for women to make themselves safer. We don't allow them unrestricted access to women when they're at their very most vulnerable ie in a state of undress or unable to leave because it's a prison..

I do appreciate that POV, but why are Trans women being held responsible for the actions of cis men? Why are they having their own protections removed for the safety of others for which the perpetrators are not them? Why are they collateral damage?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Richard Dawkins @RichardDawkins

Supreme Court rules that a woman is legally defined as . . . a woman.
Congratulations.

And “The concept of sex is binary, a person is either a woman or a man”. Yes,
the science was settled in the Precambrian. Nice that the law has finally caught
up.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

And “The concept of sex is binary, a person is either a woman or a man”. Yes,
the science was settled in the Precambrian. Nice that the law has finally caught
up.

Yes this statement was interesting, too. They just erased Intersex people and then talk about science... huh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I do appreciate that POV, but why are Trans women being held responsible for the actions of cis men? Why are they having their own protections removed for the safety of others for which the perpetrators are not them? Why are they collateral damage?

with all due respect it isn't women's responsibility either to give up our safe guards to shield transwomen from predatory men.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes this statement was interesting to. They just erased Intersex people and then talk about science... huh.

Nobody is intersex. Humans aren’t inter-anything. They’re all male or female.


Intersex is not an identity but a congenital birth defect

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes this statement was interesting, too. They just erased Intersex people and then talk about science... huh.

Intersex people are still male or female, there is no third sex.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Many think this will make women safer, but it won't really, because women aren't at risk from trans women, they are at risk from cis men, who if they want to attack a woman will do just that.

The next stop will likely be ensuring all trans people use the bathroom of the sex they were born as which will result in a load of bearded, muscular trans men sharing a space with biological women. We'll see how well that goes down

Tbh it's usually the children the bad ones go for.