[arista]

[arista]

[Ray.]

Wonder if those sorts who pathologically follow the letter of the law will respect this ruling

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

On Ch4HDnews
last night the ending of a the show had

Activist Charlie Craggs
said "all this War against a tiny community,
we just want to be left alone."


This is Charlie Craggs, 33
Large image

Spoiler:

It is Simple Charlie
Respect the new law of this nation.

[Ray.]

You're not really wanting to be left alone when you're constantly advocating for laws that compel speech and force your presence on people who don't necessarily want you in their changing rooms tbf.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Ray.

You're not really wanting to be left alone when you're constantly advocating for laws that compel speech and force your presence on people who don't necessarily want you in their changing rooms tbf.

Otherwise read as: "You're not really wanting to be left alone if you want to exist alongside others"

It's one thing being concerned that having trans women in cis women's spaces is opening up an opportunity for cis men to take advantage of at the detriment of women - an understandable worry (but one ultimately I believe is not the responsibility of trans women, as I have expressed already)

It's another to just not want trans people in your space "just because" and because you find it difficult to remember how to refer to someone the way they wish to be referred to...despite doing it daily with the concept of a first name.

All the same stuff has been said about people of colour and homosexuals in the past. Same rhetoric, different ****.

Moreover, for those advocating this a win for science and biology, then it has to, somewhere along the lines for the sake of consistency and, well.. science... be written into law that a trans man is actually a women. Right? In which case, nobody advocating for this can complain when a testosterone-fuelled bearded trans man starts using the women's toilets. It's literally what they want.

[arista]

Ella Morgan
a Trans, is still going to go into a Ladies Bog.


She spoke on GMBHD itv 7:15AM.

MP's would not deal with this
look at the state Starmer got into on LBC
a year back or so.


Legally Ella is a Man.
she admits it

[arista]

A press ladies Mug

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[Crimson Dynamo]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Not Poetry.

It's too intelligent for me.

[Mystic Mock]

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I do appreciate that POV, but why are Trans women being held responsible for the actions of cis men? Why are they having their own protections removed for the safety of others for which the perpetrators are not them? Why are they collateral damage?

Did you know that some rapists in the UK only get 4 years in Prison?

A bit of a wild tangent on my part I know, but it's crazy how little deterrent there actually is for rape in the UK.

Because I know that apparently some rape cases in the UK can go up to 19 years in Prison, but I do tend to hear about the 4 year ones than I ever do the 19.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

And as a result, I think it's created more grey area than there was beforehand.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

Okay, thanks for the info.

I'm going to have to slowly understand it all as a facts nerd.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

And as a result, I think it's created more grey area than there was beforehand.

no it hasnt

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

Be interesting to know people’s answers to this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Judges unanimously ruled that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the 2010
Equality Act referred to biological sex, not the gender with which a person
identifies.

The justices said that for the purpose of equality laws, transgender women
were not legally women, even if they have a gender recognition certificate.


They found that blurring the boundary of sex would also create “confusion
and impracticability” around the provision of “single sex characteristic
associations and charities, women’s fair participation in sport, the operation
of the public sector equality duty, and the Armed Forces”.

Judges also ruled that sex is binary, meaning the central tenet of gender
ideology – that there is a spectrum of gender identities – has no basis in law.

The ruling means that people who were born male can lawfully be excluded
from women’s sports, changing rooms, lavatories, women-only support
groups and women-only shortlists. The judgment will require a wholesale
rewriting of rules across the public and private sectors.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-court-ruling/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Be interesting to know people’s answers to this.

the answer is that you cannot change sex, its impossible to do so.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Ella Morgan
a Trans, is still going to go into a Ladies Bog.


She spoke on GMBHD itv 7:15AM.

MP's would not deal with this
look at the state Starmer got into on LBC
a year back or so.


Legally Ella is a Man.
she admits it

Isn't it amazing, the idea that men would jump on the trans issue to access womens spaces has always been denied and poo poohed and women have been called TERFs for actually raising the issue and here we are the day after the ruling a journalist and a transwoman actually agreeing that this could happen and has happened....... the gaslighting on women on this issue has been horrible .... so its nice to finally have this actually acknowledged