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[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

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Just sums up the contempt for female safeguarding, reducing it to be called 'a bathroom bill' I don't understand what is being said here, if they are not out to their colleagues and classmates, how would going into a bathroom they are supposed to use out them .. Not thought that one through

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Just sums up the contempt for female safeguarding, reducing it to be called 'a bathroom bill' I don't understand what is being said here, if they are not out to their colleagues and classmates, how would going into a bathroom they are supposed to use out them .. Not thought that one through

They are saying if they're living life as a trans woman, and haven't told their colleagues they were born a man, they either now have to use the mans toilet which effectively outs them or break the law and use the women's.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by BBXX

They are saying if they're living life as a trans woman, and haven't told their colleagues they were born a man, they either now have to use the mans toilet which effectively outs them or break the law and use the women's.

BBXX I genuinely don't mean this in an offensive way, just a realistic/pragmatic/honest way...

Very, very few trans women are actually passing. Often, in polite society, people will pretend it to be the case, but it just isn't. Most individuals who have been through male puberty simply don't convincingly pass as women.

Testosterone has a huge effect on body development which is why the opposite problem I posed above is true - when a biological female has been on testosterone for a few years they will become very masculine and many will convincingly pass as male. It's also why it's very difficult for trans men to detransition (after a few years of T they will ALWAYS look masculine).

There are some obvious biological reasons for this. Male hormones have a huge transformative effect t on the human body in a way that female hormones (or removal of male hormones) does not.

But yeah. Tl;Dr there are going to be very few situations where a trans person is "outed" as trans to their coworkers because of this.

There are definitely plenty of other human moral/ethical concerns but I don't think this is one.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

BBXX I genuinely don't mean this in an offensive way, just a realistic/pragmatic/honest way...

Very, very few trans women are actually passing. Often, in polite society, people will pretend it to be the case, but it just isn't. Most individuals who have been through male puberty simply don't convincingly pass as women.

Testosterone has a huge effect on body development which is why the opposite problem I posed above is true - when a biological female has been on testosterone for a few years they will become very masculine and many will convincingly pass as male. It's also why it's very difficult for trans men to detransition (after a few years of T they will ALWAYS look masculine).

There are some obvious biological reasons for this. Male hormones have a huge transformative effect t on the human body in a way that female hormones (or removal of male hormones) does not.

But yeah. Tl;Dr there are going to be very few situations where a trans person is "outed" as trans to their coworkers because of this.

There are definitely plenty of other human moral/ethical concerns but I don't think this is one.

I was just explaining what they meant by what they said. It will affect trans men more than trans women, but I don't want to get into the debate side of things again as I've said all I really need to without repeating myself, I just wanted to clarify what that person meant that's all.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I was just explaining what they meant by what they said. It will affect trans men more than trans women, but I don't want to get into the debate side of things again as I've said all I really need to without repeating myself, I just wanted to clarify what that person meant that's all.

"but I don't want to get into the debate side of things again "

that seems rather convenient in this section of the site

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

"but I don't want to get into the debate side of things again "

that seems rather convenient in this section of the site

To be fair to BBXX if they have nothing new to add then rereading old ground can be a waste of time, most of us could learn to do that more. Not me but others definitely.

Although...

If we were afraid to retread well worn paths this section would be completely dead.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

BBXX I genuinely don't mean this in an offensive way, just a realistic/pragmatic/honest way...

Very, very few trans women are actually passing. Often, in polite society, people will pretend it to be the case, but it just isn't. Most individuals who have been through male puberty simply don't convincingly pass as women.

Testosterone has a huge effect on body development which is why the opposite problem I posed above is true - when a biological female has been on testosterone for a few years they will become very masculine and many will convincingly pass as male. It's also why it's very difficult for trans men to detransition (after a few years of T they will ALWAYS look masculine).

There are some obvious biological reasons for this. Male hormones have a huge transformative effect t on the human body in a way that female hormones (or removal of male hormones) does not.

But yeah. Tl;Dr there are going to be very few situations where a trans person is "outed" as trans to their coworkers because of this.

There are definitely plenty of other human moral/ethical concerns but I don't think this is one.

I never knew de-transitioning was a thing, or that it got that far.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Redway

I never knew de-transitioning was a thing, or that it got that far.

Well you can't change sex but you can reverse the cosmetic attempt

Awful business mentally

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Redway

I never knew de-transitioning was a thing, or that it got that far.

It's a thing and they get dropped by doctors as soon as they start questioning. The whole thing is a medical racket.