[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The clothes she's wearing in that picture aren't boys clothes btw

Well they aren’t very feminine garments …

Looks like something the Bay City Rollers would wear

[Vicky.]

All kids should be able to wear what they want to, have hair how they want..and so on. My daughter very rarely wants to wear 'girly' things...means nothing besides she has her own mind. I wouldn't say letting them chose is 'bringing them up gender neutral'

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well they aren’t very feminine garments …

Looks like something the Bay City Rollers would wear

So what? Lots of girls don't like "femine" clothes. I hated dresses etc when I was a kid

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

All kids should be able to wear what they want to, have hair how they want..and so on. My daughter very rarely wants to wear 'girly' things...means nothing besides she has her own mind. I wouldn't say letting them chose is 'bringing them up gender neutral'

Hear hear!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Probably because she’s not been bound to gender stereotypes since childhood. It’s not a bad thing, particularly for girls who are taught from childhood their role is to look pretty and nurture others. Pink raising her kids without gender stereotypes and labels is giving ultimate freedom of expression for them to be their most authentic selves. It’s healthy.

Exactly and this isn't a new phenomenon either, this was what we were aiming for since the 90s, letting children be themselves regardless of their sex

[Vicky.]

The issue these days imo is people thinking because a boy wants to wear a dress this means he's actually a girl, not just that he's rejecting stereotypes and wearing what he likes. We seem to be going backwards in that sense.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The issue these days imo is people thinking because a boy wants to wear a dress this means he's actually a girl, not just that he's rejecting stereotypes and wearing what he likes. We seem to be going backwards in that sense.

Yes totally agree

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well bullying isn’t healthy !

Maybe she’s lucky in that she’s protected from general society and maybe she has tuition at home… but she would possibly get a tough ride in normal education

Sounds like you’re advocating for people to conform to outdated gender stereotypes so they don’t get bullied… yikes!

[Livia]

My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.

No if that’s what they like that’s great. The issue comes when parents force gender stereotypes on their child because they think that’s what they SHOULD like without considering what they actually like and want.

But I would say yes to letting children decide their own style. If a boy wants to play with dolls he shouldn’t be told they’re for girls etc etc…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.

Of course not, encouraging your child to wear what they like etc would cover both children who like the traditional gendered traits and those who don't.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.

Kids like what kids like. It's only an issue if you force stereotypes onto them, or decide them being gender non conforming means they are the opposite sex. Imo.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

All kids should be able to wear what they want to, have hair how they want..and so on. My daughter very rarely wants to wear 'girly' things...means nothing besides she has her own mind. I wouldn't say letting them chose is 'bringing them up gender neutral'

Is she letting them chose though by bringing them up the way she wants to bring them up

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Is she letting them chose though by bringing them up the way she wants to bring them up

What do you mean? Is she letting them choose by telling them they can choose?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

But I would say yes to letting children decide their own style. If a boy wants to play with dolls he shouldn’t be told they’re for girls etc etc…

Yea I had huge issues with my husband when my son was 3 or 4..he wanted his nails painted like his sister and my husband was all 'are you a girl?!' to him

I just painted them and dealt with the mood!

That remains the only gender non conforming thing my son ever did, besides wanting long hair (which is a weird one as go back 20 years or so and it was common for blokes)

[Zizu]

It is what it is .,

We have 3 gorgeous granddaughters

Oldest and youngest are pink loving girlies whilst the middle one is a tomboy wearing sports wear and loves blue ..

They were all raised the normal, traditional way …

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Kids like what kids like. It's only an issue if you force stereotypes onto them, or decide them being gender non conforming means they are the opposite sex. Imo.

Totally agree!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yea I had huge issues with my husband when my son was 3 or 4..he wanted his nails painted like his sister and my husband was all 'are you a girl?!' to him

I just painted them and dealt with the mood!

That remains the only gender non conforming thing my son ever did, besides wanting long hair (which is a weird one as go back 20 years or so and it was common for blokes)

When I was teenager long hair was my number 1 most attractive quality in a guy I was a big fan of the grunge scene though

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.

Interesting…

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yea I had huge issues with my husband when my son was 3 or 4..he wanted his nails painted like his sister and my husband was all 'are you a girl?!' to him

I just painted them and dealt with the mood!

That remains the only gender non conforming thing my son ever did, besides wanting long hair (which is a weird one as go back 20 years or so and it was common for blokes)

Totally - men's fashion in past eras would be considered super camp and feminine nowadays but looks awesome.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What do you mean? Is she letting them choose by telling them they can choose?

Oh yeah...

Doh!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Sounds like you’re advocating for people to conform to outdated gender stereotypes so they don’t get bullied… yikes!

Blame society not me

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I’ve called you out

I don’t trust you and don’t believe anything you say.

Good.

I can take the criticism that I'm guilty of pontificating, I'm quite aware of my flaws... But you're a strange, aggressive littleman sheriff. I don't want your approval, nor am I looking for your trust.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Good.

I can take the criticism that I'm guilty of pontificating, I'm quite aware of my flaws... But you're a strange, aggressive littleman sheriff. I don't want your approval, nor am I looking for your trust.

I’m must correct you
I’m not strange I’m definitely not little and I’m not aggressive

I’ve said what I wanted to say and that’s enough for me.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I’m must correct you
I’m not strange I’m definitely not little and I’m not aggressive

I’ve said what I wanted to say and that’s enough for me.

You're a changed man then? Because you used to suggest street fights to solve your Tibb disagreements. Have you forgotten? Or maybe you are changed. But as I don't trust you either, I'll assume that you're still bubbling away under there, holding your tongue.

Congratulations if you did get the aggression under control though. Most don't.