[Swan]

Cleaner (2025)

Pretty rubbish

[arista]

Originally Posted by Swan

Cleaner (2025)

Pretty rubbish

Yes
On SkyMoviesHD this week.

A Fit young Lady
Window Cleaner left outside the building.


Terrorists enter

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Yeah I went into a lot of needless detail but in general it mostly feels like a fairly common "messy relationships" issue that's blown up way out of proportion because it's playing out on a big public platform.

I do love a bit of celebrity gossip though, for my sins.

……I don’t mind a bit of celebrity gossip either, I’m just not very up on knowing any, though…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Swan

Cleaner (2025)

Pretty rubbish

The trailer was a good sample then…

I still don’t know why they call a supposed blockbuster movie … Cleaner

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I still don’t know why they call a supposed blockbuster movie … Cleaner

For unfortunate film titles for me I don't think anything will beat



Light Cardigan, starring Anakin Skywalker.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

For unfortunate film titles for me I don't think anything will beat



Light Cardigan, starring Anakin Skywalker.

Fair point !!


My pet annoyance is stupidly named pop/rock groups


Top of my hate list

Elbow !!! Agghhhhh !

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Swan

Cleaner (2025)

Pretty rubbish

I saw it last night.

I agree with you.

It did oddly make me laugh a lot though, unintentionally.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Fair point !!


My pet annoyance is stupidly named pop/rock groups


Top of my hate list

Elbow !!! Agghhhhh !

Anime titles for me.

Things like I Became A Girl's Tampon In Another World just doesn't float my boat when I hear those kinds of names.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…oh, sorry for all of that…that was a big offload…..

Just reading some threads on Reddit about it and someone posted this in reply to why Jason and Molly emailed each other so much, it's no wonder

Spoiler:

Jason sounded so frustrated in that recording they shared :

This is explained in Sarah’s book. Essentially Molly was the children’s swim coach and primary career, because she didn’t work and in the months leading up to Jason’s death she would stop telling him when the children had events on like training, competitions or doctors appointments. Sarah was unwell and Molly refused to divulge the results of her blood tests with Jason or tell him when or where the doctors appointments where. She also intentionally give him the wrong time so he would show up late and then she would complain that he was a useless father that didn’t care for his kids. This was part of setting up her image as their true parent and him as abusive. There’s an email from Jason to Molly where he requests that everything that relates to his children must be corresponded through email because he cannot trust her to relay information verbally anymore

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just reading some threads on Reddit about it and someone posted this in reply to why Jason and Molly emailed each other so much, it's no wonder

Spoiler:

Jason sounded so frustrated in that recording they shared :

This is explained in Sarah’s book. Essentially Molly was the children’s swim coach and primary career, because she didn’t work and in the months leading up to Jason’s death she would stop telling him when the children had events on like training, competitions or doctors appointments. Sarah was unwell and Molly refused to divulge the results of her blood tests with Jason or tell him when or where the doctors appointments where. She also intentionally give him the wrong time so he would show up late and then she would complain that he was a useless father that didn’t care for his kids. This was part of setting up her image as their true parent and him as abusive. There’s an email from Jason to Molly where he requests that everything that relates to his children must be corresponded through email because he cannot trust her to relay information verbally anymore

Spoiler:

…it’s like a movie plot, isn’t it…?…I mean, I’ve seen that manipulative plot so many times only this is obviously real and Jason was brutally murdered and there was no ending of any justice for his life…that all really explains though his comment on the phone/recording when he said for Molly not to send his children away because that wasn’t her place…and actually how controlled he was with how much he was being manipulated…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

…it’s like a movie plot, isn’t it…?…I mean, I’ve seen that manipulative plot so many times only this is obviously real and Jason was brutally murdered and there was no ending of any justice for his life…that all really explains though his comment on the phone/recording when he said for Molly not to send his children away because that wasn’t her place…and actually how controlled he was with how much he was being manipulated…

Spoiler:

Yeah, if she was doing all that to him, imo he sounded really restrained.

I also read about her ex boyfriend who 3 years before the murder happened had actually written a book about his relationship with Molly and the abuse and mental health issues she had. He says they were still a couple when Moly went to Ireland initially

https://extra.ie/2023/11/11/news/iri...x-fiance-keith

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

Yeah, if she was doing all that to him, imo he sounded really restrained.

I also read about her ex boyfriend who 3 years before the murder happened had actually written a book about his relationship with Molly and the abuse and mental health issues she had. He says they were still a couple when Moly went to Ireland initially

https://extra.ie/2023/11/11/news/iri...x-fiance-keith

Spoiler:

…I’ve skimmed that link but I’m going to have a proper read of it now…I wonder if Tom, Molly’s father…his whole involvement was a spontaneous protection of her when the events were happening but it somehow feels when he told his wife to go back to sleep…?…that he was already compliant with some of it before then and what she was doing or who she was…?….I’m so glad of the extended family that Jack and Sarah have, though……but if Jason considered Molly to be the mother that she says she was …?…then why didn’t he have it changed so that if anything happened to him, she would parent the children for their lives…?….he never did that, though….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

…I’ve skimmed that link but I’m going to have a proper read of it now…I wonder if Tom, Molly’s father…his whole involvement was a spontaneous protection of her when the events were happening but it somehow feels when he told his wife to go back to sleep…?…that he was already compliant with some of it before then and what she was doing or who she was…?….I’m so glad of the extended family that Jack and Sarah have, though……but if Jason considered Molly to be the mother that she says she was …?…then why didn’t he have it changed so that if anything happened to him, she would parent the children for their lives…?….he never did that, though….

Spoiler:

The part about the mother hearing her daughter screaming upstairs and then she just rolled over and went back to sleep while Tom went upstairs to see what was going on was pretty bizarre as well, I mean really? you hear your daughter scream and you just go back to sleep?

And yeah, he was clearly on the verge of leaving her and taking them back to Ireland, I think she probably got wind of that and thought if she killed him she'd get to keep the kids

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

The part about the mother hearing her daughter screaming upstairs and then she just rolled over and went back to sleep while Tom went upstairs to see what was going on was pretty bizarre as well, I mean really? you hear your daughter scream and you just go back to sleep?

And yeah, he was clearly on the verge of leaving her and taking them back to Ireland, I think she probably got wind of that and thought if she killed him she'd get to keep the kids

Spoiler:

…it’s just not believable…I mean, apparently Molly was suffering such domestic abuse that she was advised to take recordings of Jason’s anger ….and then in the night she heard her daughter screaming and she knew that her grandchildren were in the house but she took heed of her husband’s advise and went back to sleep…?…I mean, no…that just didn’t happen….the only way that would have happened is if she had also been drugged as was suspected with Jason…

….I found this just now, you might have already seen it as you’re obviously familiar with the case for a while now…but this lady does crime podcasts and this looks quite interesting…

Youtube video

[Niamh.]

I haven't seen it but I'll watch it, thanks Ammi

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I haven't seen it but I'll watch it, thanks Ammi

…I meant to say also…

Spoiler:

…Jack and Sarah were still so young at the time and even younger when Molly ‘became their mother’ so the only mother they had ever known, really…so for them at the time, they wouldn’t know what an unhealthy controlling type of love/a toxic love would look like…I think that then going to Jason’s family and the whole loving and supportive wrap around environment outside of that as well…?…it would only be then that they began to realise the unhealthy ‘mother’, Molly had been…but they would have had to experience something entirely different to realise that…which they did with Jason’s sister and her family….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I meant to say also…

Spoiler:

…Jack and Sarah were still so young at the time and even younger when Molly ‘became their mother’ so the only mother they had ever known, really…so for them at the time, they wouldn’t know what an unhealthy controlling type of love/a toxic love would look like…I think that then going to Jason’s family and the whole loving and supportive wrap around environment outside of that as well…?…it would only be then that they began to realise the unhealthy ‘mother’, Molly had been…but they would have had to experience something entirely different to realise that…which they did with Jason’s sister and her family….

Spoiler:

Yeah I was thinking about that earlier too, imagine how different they'd be now as adults had the courts given custody to Molly

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

Yeah I was thinking about that earlier too, imagine how different they'd be now as adults had the courts given custody to Molly

Spoiler:

…I think that they would still have felt she was their world and feel her toxicity and control was ‘normal’….maybe not in another decade or so but for now I think they would have…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

…I think that they would still have felt she was their world and feel her toxicity and control was ‘normal’….maybe not in another decade or so but for now I think they would have…

Spoiler:

Yeah and they probably would have had a very hard time having healthy relationships with her as their example and teacher. Jasons sisters family seem like such a stable and well adjusted family, I would say they did wonders for helping two very traumatised children and showing them what real love and healthy relationships look like

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

Yeah and they probably would have had a very hard time having healthy relationships with her as their example and teacher. Jasons sisters family seem like such a stable and well adjusted family, I would say they did wonders for helping two very traumatised children and showing them what real love and healthy relationships look like

Spoiler:

…I started to watch the Crimeworld vid yesterday, I haven’t watched much yet but one of the things that really stands out as well is how it is in the American justice system that ‘plea bargains’ happen a lot for reduced prison sentences etc and to save in court time…Tom, being ex FBI or whatever he was would really know how to manipulate the system as well…

[Zizu]

The Batman

Meh ..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Spoiler:

…I started to watch the Crimeworld vid yesterday, I haven’t watched much yet but one of the things that really stands out as well is how it is in the American justice system that ‘plea bargains’ happen a lot for reduced prison sentences etc and to save in court time…Tom, being ex FBI or whatever he was would really know how to manipulate the system as well…

Spoiler:

Yeah, I watched that yesterday, it was a good listen. I think actually I may go back and watch the Police interviews again actually because one of the people speaking on that Crime world video was saying some stuff Tom had said in the interviews which I couldn't hear but apparently he started off his Police interview by saying that Jasons first wife had died in "mysterious circumstances" and was really leaning into Irish stereotypes and saying Jasons family had ties to the IRA and basically he was a drunk.

Luke had it on yesterday and he turned subtitles on on Netflix (D'uh) so i will rewatch that portion later

[Vanessa]

Planning to see the new mission impossible soon.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

Yeah, I watched that yesterday, it was a good listen. I think actually I may go back and watch the Police interviews again actually because one of the people speaking on that Crime world video was saying some stuff Tom had said in the interviews which I couldn't hear but apparently he started off his Police interview by saying that Jasons first wife had died in "mysterious circumstances" and was really leaning into Irish stereotypes and saying Jasons family had ties to the IRA and basically he was a drunk.

Luke had it on yesterday and he turned subtitles on on Netflix (D'uh) so i will rewatch that portion later

…this is quite interesting, it is just an analysis from a criminal psychologist …but there are a few things that stand out that I’m not sure were covered in the documentary movie…

Spoiler:

…I hadn’t realised the time delay of calling 911…that it had been as much as a few hours and how that gave them not only the time to set their own stories straight…but possibly plan the involvement in what the children would be ‘coached’ in saying…

…the psychologist used the word ‘warned’ when he said that the police had noticed Molly rubbing her neck …they had warned her to stop…it felt as though she was trying to create what looked like a throat attack…?…

…and the mention that she had said that apparently Jason liked to or sometimes strangled her during sex…

…anyways, it’s an interesting watch if you have time…I’m also going to try to find the interviews again that might be clear because that was the annoying thing from the start, that I couldn’t hear what was being said…

Youtube video

[Niamh.]

If you put the Doc on on Netflix again Ammi you can turn the subtitle on through that, do you still have Netflix?