[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It says they could be released within a month but that's probably best case scenario

…it would be so amazing if they were…when we think of some of the lenient sentencing for some crimes and what the boys endured through their lives in terms of abuse, they’ve served enough time, I think…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it would be so amazing if they were…when we think of some of the lenient sentencing for some crimes and what the boys endured through their lives in terms of abuse, they’ve served enough time, I think…

Yeah, when you compare it to Molly and Tom Martens eh?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, when you compare it to Molly and Tom Martens eh?

…yeah, exactly who I was thinking of …it’s sadly very difficult to believe in justice systems with comparisons like this…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, exactly who I was thinking of …it’s sadly very difficult to believe in justice systems with comparisons like this…

awful, how their sexual abuse was mocked in the court room too

[Zizu]

Let’s just bookmark this conversation and come back to see how well their rehabilitation has progressed …

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Let’s just bookmark this conversation and come back to see how well their rehabilitation has progressed …

Sure

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Mmmm … but if they are capable of such monstrosities why on earth risk releasing them …

After all this time festering behind bars who knows what they are capable of


The judge , jury and all the prosecution team maybe fair game - just for starters !!

Watch the Netflix show they did last year, it will give you details about the case

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Watch the Netflix show they did last year, it will give you details about the case

The documentary though rather than the dramatisation, it's more accurate with real footage etc

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The documentary though rather than the dramatisation, it's more accurate with real footage etc

Yeah was about to say,the drama one I only watched 3 episodes. It was ok but I couldn’t get into it

[Ammi]

….Erik Menendez has just been denied parole…Lyle’s parole hearing is later today but I doubt the decision will be any different…it’ll be another three years before they can appeal again…

[Ammi]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...enendez-parole

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….Erik Menendez has just been denied parole…Lyle’s parole hearing is later today but I doubt the decision will be any different…it’ll be another three years before they can appeal again…

Aw that's terrible news

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Aw that's terrible news

‘Barton said the primary reason for the decision was not the seriousness of the crime but Menendez’s behavior in prison.’


…but it doesn’t state what the behaviour was/is that was the main factor in the decision…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

‘Barton said the primary reason for the decision was not the seriousness of the crime but Menendez’s behavior in prison.’


…but it doesn’t state what the behaviour was/is that was the main factor in the decision…

Interesting if that's the case it shouldn't automatically follow that Lyle's would be rejected.... I wonder what he did in prison?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Interesting if that's the case it shouldn't automatically follow that Lyle's would be rejected.... I wonder what he did in prison?

…this is part of the BBC article…

Parole board commissioner Robert Barton, who listened to testimony for more than 10 hours with a panel before denying Erik's parole, said he believed Erik was not yet ready for release.
"I believe in redemption, or I wouldn't be doing this job," he told Erik at the end of the marathon hearing. "But based on the legal standards, we find that you continue to pose an unreasonable risk to public safety."
The board took issue, specifically, with his violations in prison and past criminal activity before killing his parents.
"Contrary to your supporters' beliefs, you have not been a model prisoner and frankly, we find that a little disturbing," Barton said, bluntly telling him he now had "two options" for his future.
"One is to have a pity party," Barton told Erik. "Or you can take to heart what we discussed."

…also…

They reviewed the schooling and positive programs he had been involved with in prison, along with transgressions he had while in lockup, including prison fights and being found multiple times with contraband. While behind bars, he'd got in trouble for having a cell phone, art supplies and tobacco - which he'd hidden inside a religious book.

[Niamh.]

Thanks Ammi. Talking about what he did before what he's in there for was a bit harsh i think though, he was a teenager at the time

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Thanks Ammi. Talking about what he did before what he's in there for was a bit harsh i think though, he was a teenager at the time

…yeah, obviously we only know bits of what the media reports but it does feel to me that there was never any intention of granting him parole…so obviously reasons have to be recorded etc…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, obviously we only know bits of what the media reports but it does feel to me that there was never any intention of granting him parole…so obviously reasons have to be recorded etc…

Yeah and look i don't know what he's been up to in prison but I feel there was an undertone to that, that I don't like. Talking about pity parties and despite what his supporters believe etc

[Ammi]

…Lyle Menendez also denied bail…


‘parole commissioner Julie Garland commended him for his behavior in prison, including his lack of violence, his work on programs and his positive relationships with other inmates and staff. She also noted his strong support network and solid plans for a post-release life’

"You have been a model inmate in many ways who has demonstrated the potential for change," Garland told him at his first-ever parole hearing. "But despite all those outward positives, we see ... you still struggle with anti-social personality traits like deception, minimization and rule-breaking that lie beneath that positive surface."

Lyle Menendez's illegal possession of cellphones in prison was another point made by the commissioners.

Garland said "incarcerated people who break rules" are more likely to break rules in society.

"We do understand that you had very little hope of being released for years," Garland said, referring to his previous sentence of life without the possibility of parole.

[Niamh.]

Hhmmm

[thesheriff443]

Just my thoughts
If you are being sexually abused the normal route for people is to report it, not stand on the driveway and shoot your mother and father

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Just my thoughts
If you are being sexually abused the normal route for people is to report it, not stand on the driveway and shoot your mother and father

Of course but they've already served 30 years and there was extenuating circumstances.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course but they've already served 30 years and there was extenuating circumstances.

Was the sexual abuse claims proven?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Was the sexual abuse claims proven?

Pretty much as far as I'm aware, there were some photos found, a couple of his cousins testified saying Eric and Lyle told them about it when they were younger and also, other men have come forward with allegations against the dad as well (he was involved with promoting a boy band and it was members of this band)

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Pretty much as far as I'm aware, there were some photos found, a couple of his cousins testified saying Eric and Lyle told them about it when they were younger and also, other men have come forward with allegations against the dad as well (he was involved with promoting a boy band and it was members of this band)

I see
But it was basically an execution so you can see why it brings mixed feelings

If we look at it from the justice side they are murderers