[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Intersex people are still either male or female

I mean what would happen if she's an Intersex female Biologically, does she still compete in the women's side of the Sport?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I mean what would happen if she's an Intersex female Biologically, does she still compete in the women's side of the Sport?

I assume so although that seems unlikely considering according to AIBA Imane already failed one of these tests and had been stopped from competing in the female category

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I assume so although that seems unlikely considering according to AIBA Imane already failed one of these tests and had been stopped from competing in the female category

If that happens again then her Olympic gold needs to be given to the second place person.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If that happens again then her Olympic gold needs to be given to the second place person.

She won that through a competition in which she was allowed to enter and play as a woman because she the Olympic rules stated at the time you can enter as your gender identity, so really anything that comes after bears no relation to her Olympic win.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

She won that through a competition in which she was allowed to enter and play as a woman because she the Olympic rules stated at the time you can enter as your gender identity, so really anything that comes after bears no relation to her Olympic win.

Shameful decision

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Shameful decision

The whole thing is disgraceful


All the young women who have devoted their lives to sport then a few young guys come along and win all the events as the girls simply cant compete .

The guys are also setting new records that no young women will EVER get close to

Its madness


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The whole thing is disgraceful


All the young women who have devoted their lives to sport then a few young guys come along and win all the events as the girls simply cant compete .

The guys are also setting new records that no young women will EVER get close to

Its madness


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[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

She won that through a competition in which she was allowed to enter and play as a woman because she the Olympic rules stated at the time you can enter as your gender identity, so really anything that comes after bears no relation to her Olympic win.

Tbf she might pass the test yet.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf she might pass the test yet.

The fact that this boxer refuses to take the tests rather suggests a certain outcome..

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf she might pass the test yet.

Er not a hope, already been tested and didn't pass so....

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by BBXX

She won that through a competition in which she was allowed to enter and play as a woman because she the Olympic rules stated at the time you can enter as your gender identity, so really anything that comes after bears no relation to her Olympic win.

The whole reason for seperate categories in Sport is because of sex based differences though so allowing someone to compete based on how they identify is unfair and dangerous to biological women. Whether it was allowed or not women lost out unfairly and that should be rectified

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The whole reason for seperate categories in Sport is because of sex based differences though so allowing someone to compete based on how they identify is unfair and dangerous to biological women. Whether it was allowed or not women lost out unfairly and that should be rectified

I agree 100%. The Olympic committee was wrong to allow this in order to make themselves appear all cuddly and inclusive... except to women, of course. I see the next Olympics being very different, or at least I hope so.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree 100%. The Olympic committee was wrong to allow this in order to make themselves appear all cuddly and inclusive... except to women, of course. I see the next Olympics being very different, or at least I hope so.

I still feel so bad for that Italian boxer, she couldn't even point out the unfairness of it without being shamed and forced to pretend she was wrong

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The whole reason for seperate categories in Sport is because of sex based differences though so allowing someone to compete based on how they identify is unfair and dangerous to biological women. Whether it was allowed or not women lost out unfairly and that should be rectified

I understand that and the reasons, I'm just pointing out she competed in line with rules and so the Gold medal should stand regardless. She didn't mislead anyone or lie, she competed in the way the Olympics allowed her to.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I understand that and the reasons, I'm just pointing out she competed in line with rules and so the Gold medal should stand regardless. She didn't mislead anyone or lie, she competed in the way the Olympics allowed her to.

The IOC are the ones to blame for sure

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I understand that and the reasons, I'm just pointing out she competed in line with rules and so the Gold medal should stand regardless. She didn't mislead anyone or lie, she competed in the way the Olympics allowed her to.

Well it was a cheat win, enabled by the IOC at least the WBO had to good sense to ban Khalif, why that wasn't good enough for the IOC is anyones guess

There was talk of law suits...did anything come to pass on those?

Just had a look Khalif filed a criminal case for cyberbulling against Elon Musk and JK Rowling

[user104658]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I understand that and the reasons, I'm just pointing out she competed in line with rules and so the Gold medal should stand regardless. She didn't mislead anyone or lie, she competed in the way the Olympics allowed her to.

I feel like you're so close to the point and whole crux of the debate with exactly this, though.

...the world is a big place, with a LOT of people in it, and where there are gaps in the rules (and in legal legislation) that can be exploited with nefarious intent (or even just personal gain/glory) there will be people who will do that. It's not MOST people, most people are not predatory, most people have a sense of fairness, but some don't. A small number of sportspeople who realistically are not competing fairly, will still compete "because the rules say it's allowed". A small number of predatory individuals will exploit access to women's spaces, because they can. It's a small number, most have genuine reasons, but that doesn't matter... where the law allows it, there are people who will exploit it, it's not even a "might".

And this is why feelings and righteousness need to be taken out of the equation and the decisions that are made need to be controlled at rules/legislation level (whether that's sports or women's refuges), and made sensibly with safeguarding (or sporting fairness, in this example) as the primary consideration. Not individual feelings.