[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

From just a gay perspective:

• Straight couples aren't scared of holding hands in public for fear of being attacked.
• There is no conversion therapy for stopping straight people being straight.
• Heterosexual couples/people can be represented in media without in being called "woke"
• Heterosexual people can be hired without it being looked at as a diversity hire.
• Heterosexual sex education and safety is taught widely without issue.
• Heterosexual people aren't shunned from family for being straight.

You're also missing a really crucial point - gay people only have equal laws and certain protections because of talking about rights.

You have to remember that a lot of this progress is actually relatively recent. We've only been allowed to join the army since 2000. Marriage for gay people in UK has only been legal for just over a decade and in N. Ireland for half that time. Sexually active gay people could only start donating blood in 2020 because of discriminatory rules for crying out loud.

Progress has happened, but progress can also be temporary and reversed, and therefore until the point we are confident it is neither, people will continue to rally it.

Think of it this way... you work full time in a factory and in the past due to lack of safety regulations, that factory has a history of burning down, killing some of your colleagues. New owners come on board and the subject of safety measures come up and you make sure they know that the new safety measures have prevent fires and prevented deaths. This happens every four years and the subject of the safety measures is an ongoing topic throughout and so you keep on talking about it because it seems it's always up for discussion. Particularly because the owners are friends with other factory's owners elsewhere who have actually reduced safety measures and they're advocating for them to do the same otherwise they might put your prices up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2733806.html



Hate crime laws protect against sexuality and gender.

From just a gay perspective:
Straight couples aren't scared of holding hands in public for fear of being attacked....people are scared to go out full stop due to all these violent illigals.


There is no conversion therapy for stopping straight people being straight....no, but there is an awful lot of talk in schools telling children what they must be this if they feel a certain way.


Heterosexual couples/people can be represented in media without in being called "woke"...Brian Dowling, and Nadia, prove these are new words for people to use.


Heterosexual people can be hired without it being looked at as a diversity hire....plenty elderly homosexuals etc, will be the people hiring the youths of today, that have t8 much to say..


Heterosexual sex education and safety is taught widely without issue...the birda and the bees is a lot difderent to whapping your oenus uo anothwr mans bottom, kids do not need to know how to keep it clean

Heterosexual people aren't shunned from family for being straight...blame the families.. Each one will be different.

:shrug

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

From just a gay perspective:
Straight couples aren't scared of holding hands in public for fear of being attacked....people are scared to go out full stop due to all these violent illigals.

If true, this is unrelated to the subject. We're talking about sexuality and being attacked for being a gay couple. Even if straight couples are scared of 'violent illegals' it's not because they're a straight couple. Not refuting my point. Next.

There is no conversion therapy for stopping straight people being straight....no, but there is an awful lot of talk in schools telling children what they must be this if they feel a certain way.

If true, it's not the same as conversion therapy. Any attempt to suggest it is makes you look ignorant. Not an argument. Next.

Heterosexual couples/people can be represented in media without in being called "woke"...Brian Dowling, and Nadia, prove these are new words for people to use.

They are new words, which suggests we're going backwards. This isn't a rebuttal. Next.

Heterosexual people can be hired without it being looked at as a diversity hire....plenty elderly homosexuals etc, will be the people hiring the youths of today, that have to much to say..

If true, irrelevant and unrelated once again. What you provided isn't an argument. Next.

Heterosexual sex education and safety is taught widely without issue...the birda and the bees is a lot difderent to whapping your oenus uo anothwr mans bottom, kids do not need to know how to keep it clean

Proving my point, showcasing the disparity in attitude. Sex is sex. Safe sex isn't just taught to prevent babies. Everyone deserves to be taught about safe, consensual, healthy and loving intercourse. Not an argument, again. Next.

Heterosexual people aren't shunned from family for being straight...blame the families.. Each one will be different.

I do. You didn't refute my point, once again.

Well that was a bit of a mess! I particularly liked the part your spelling went insane when you were discussing gay sex. Interesting.

You did not reply to any one of those points with a counter argument that gay people aren't subject to those things I stated. Not a single one.

With each passing topic that arises on here surrounding LGBT issues, more and more you show an incredible lack of knowledge or experience of LGBT people. That's absolutely fine, but you'd think maybe you'd not be so opinionated on a topic you quite clearly have zero knowledge on.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

If true, this is unrelated to the subject. We're talking about sexuality and being attacked for being a gay couple. Even if straight couples are scared of 'violent illegals' it's not because they're a straight couple. Not refuting my point. Next.



If true, it's not the same as conversion therapy. Any attempt to suggest it is makes you look ignorant. Not an argument. Next.



They are new words, which suggests we're going backwards. This isn't a rebuttal. Next.



If true, irrelevant and unrelated once again. What you provided isn't an argument. Next.



Proving my point, showcasing the disparity in attitude. Sex is sex. Safe sex isn't just taught to prevent babies. Everyone deserves to be taught about safe, consensual, healthy and loving intercourse. Not an argument, again. Next.



I do. You didn't refute my point, once again.

Well that was a bit of a mess! I particularly liked the part your spelling went insane when you were discussing gay sex. Interesting.

You did not reply to any one of those points with a counter argument that gay people aren't subject to those things I stated. Not a single one.

With each passing topic that arises on here surrounding LGBT issues, more and more you show an incredible lack of knowledge or experience of LGBT people. That's absolutely fine, but you'd think maybe you'd not be so opinionated on a topic you quite clearly have zero knowledge on.

You copied and pasted something which I wasn't trying to refute or better..I simply gave my opinion on it
.stop trying to claim those words as your own when belittling my response. Thank you.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

You copied and pasted something which I wasn't trying to refute or better..I simply gave my opinion on it
.stop trying to claim those words as your own when belittling my response. Thank you.

[Parmy]

And stop living in the past.

People get filled in forbhabing rhe opposing football atrip on, amd would be afraid to wear it walking round certain areas, cause they would be persecuted for it. Just like 2 gays holding hands. Sexuality means **** all to me and just about everyone I know. Stop making it a thing. It's excruciatingly boring these days, and there is certainly nothing special about being persecuted for being this or that. We all experience it, and will continue, from someone, somewhere.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Still nothing mentioned about trans people specifically…just about building an inclusive, active and equal world through an LGBTQ+ charity who campaigns for men, women and trans people.

Inaccurate thread title. I am thinking:

Young woman criticised for charity drive that aims to make sport a more enjoyable place for men, women and trans people alike.

After seeing that clip I'll have to agree with you.

[Oliver_W]

It kind of sticks in one's throat that they're using the story of the first all-woman yacht crew who reached such an achievement, to talk about something that negativity affects women's sports.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hardly deliver what I ask if they fight against female sport being female only?

As I said, if fighting for trans teams etc then great. I don't see why they would fight for both trans teams AND access to female teams tho.

I do agree.

Just stick with the Trans teams idea.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I do agree.

Just stick with the Trans teams idea.

That's a great idea, and TV could pick the competitions up. Let's face facts. Nothing's really ever managed to fill the gaping hole it's a knockout left once it went of air.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Another gay bloke thinking he has all the trans answers.

Insert, sure jan gif here.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It kind of sticks in one's throat that they're using the story of the first all-woman yacht crew who reached such an achievement, to talk about something that negativity affects women's sports.

And of course hardly surprising

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It kind of sticks in one's throat that they're using the story of the first all-woman yacht crew who reached such an achievement, to talk about something that negativity affects women's sports.

So refreshing to see a gay man see the wood from the trees

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Beso

That's a great idea, and TV could pick the competitions up. Let's face facts. Nothing's really ever managed to fill the gaping hole it's a knockout left once it went of air.

I've never watched It's A Knockout.

Was it a good Show?

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Beso

Another gay bloke thinking he has all the trans answers.

Insert, sure jan gif here.

All I see was him correct a homophobe

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Another gay bloke thinking he has all the trans answers.

Insert, sure jan gif here.

Not answers, but opinions. Based on conversations with actual trans people, my experience as a gay person and research.

You’ve made it abundantly clear you have no actual significant interaction or knowledge on LGBT issues or it’s people, outside of what right wing media tells you - all you do is parrot the soundbites they do frequently. Not one single original thought. And I get it, I do, because I used to be the same.

You know, during Covid I got swept up in a right wing bubble and formulated the same opinions as many of you on trans people. I was reading Twitter every day as the Adam Brooks, Lawrence Foxes, Bev Turners etc… rallied against the government and their weird Covid rules. I watched your Turning Point USA, your Owen Shroyers, Charlie Kirk’s, Candace Owens. For a full year I got proper caught up in an echo chamber and so many of the beliefs I grew up with disappeared. I peddled all the same arguments I read on here all the time - on the trans debate, on social movements, on the left wing media …. (Although not on Trump, he’s always been a moron).

Over time I came to realise a lot of the people I would be parroting kept on misrepresenting the truth, or taking snippets of a wider story to manipulate into something bigger. The more I double checked what they were saying the more I realised how much it was happening. And so I took myself away from all media. I made an effort to meet and spend time with trans people and gain knowledge from their actual lived experience and what they want from life which is to simply exist safely.

That process of being on the same political side annd consuming right wing content and then not means I know exactly how they work, I was in it DEEP. I know what all the key soundbites are. And I know they’re not based in reality or experience or context or perspective. I know exactly how the right wing media and social influencers work and I see it here on the daily.

70% of people have never even knowingly met a trans person and yet about 50-60% of people seem to have extremely strong opinions against them. Go figure.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It kind of sticks in one's throat that they're using the story of the first all-woman yacht crew who reached such an achievement, to talk about something that negativity affects women's sports.

They didn’t talk about trans women in women’s sports Oliver Watch the video!

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

All I see was him correct a homophobe

It was super easy as well.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It was super easy as well.

Isn’t it always?

You gave him more than I would. I normally just report his homophobia and watch him get banned. Far more satisfying.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Not answers, but opinions. Based on conversations with actual trans people, my experience as a gay person and research.

You’ve made it abundantly clear you have no actual significant interaction or knowledge on LGBT issues or it’s people, outside of what right wing media tells you - all you do is parrot the soundbites they do frequently. Not one single original thought. And I get it, I do, because I used to be the same.

You know, during Covid I got swept up in a right wing bubble and formulated the same opinions as many of you on trans people. I was reading Twitter every day as the Adam Brooks, Lawrence Foxes, Bev Turners etc… rallied against the government and their weird Covid rules. I watched your Turning Point USA, your Owen Shroyers, Charlie Kirk’s, Candace Owens. For a full year I got proper caught up in an echo chamber and so many of the beliefs I grew up with disappeared. I peddled all the same arguments I read on here all the time - on the trans debate, on social movements, on the left wing media …. (Although not on Trump, he’s always been a moron).

Over time I came to realise a lot of the people I would be parroting kept on misrepresenting the truth, or taking snippets of a wider story to manipulate into something bigger. The more I double checked what they were saying the more I realised how much it was happening. And so I took myself away from all media. I made an effort to meet and spend time with trans people and gain knowledge from their actual lived experience and what they want from life which is to simply exist safely.

That process of being on the same political side annd consuming right wing content and then not means I know exactly how they work, I was in it DEEP. I know what all the key soundbites are. And I know they’re not based in reality or experience or context or perspective. I know exactly how the right wing media and social influencers work and I see it here on the daily.

70% of people have never even knowingly met a trans person and yet about 50-60% of people seem to have extremely strong opinions against them. Go figure.

I had 2 trans women on my old window cleaning round, always had a chat and a cuppa ready for me.


You've merely flipped 90 degrees and are now believing your left wing algorithms as your truth.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

I had 2 trans women on my old window cleaning round, always had a chat and a cuppa ready for me.


You've merely flipped 90 degrees and are now believing your left wing algorithms as your truth.

No, I’ve immersed myself in both and decided which is more based on trust and a lived experience. Don’t get me wrong, both have their issues, but a lot of the right wing media spend so much time talking against people who aren’t them.

This site is a microcosm of that over and over again.

Time and time again you’ve displayed not just homophobic views but actual lack of knowledge about real world issues around LGBT topics.

Colour me shocked cleaning windows once a month for two trans women didn’t give you an insight…

Anyway, this is just going completely off on a different tangent, so this'll be my final word on all this.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

No, I’ve immersed myself in both and decided which is more based on trust and a lived experience. Don’t get me wrong, both have their issues, but a lot of the right wing media spend so much time talking against people who aren’t them.

This site is a microcosm of that over and over again.

Time and time again you’ve displayed not just homophobic views but actual lack of knowledge about real world issues around LGBT topics.

Colour me shocked cleaning windows once a month for two trans women didn’t give you an insight…

Anyway, this is just going completely off on a different tangent, so this'll be my final word on all this.

That's good to hear because all you are doing now is telling me how my life experiences and monthly chat with 2 trans women effect me. Perhaps if you were present at these encounters then perhaps maybe then you could have an opinion on my personal encounters and how they effect the way I see things. You wernt though, so until then you can jog on with your analysis of me, my personal experiences and my uptake on things.


Know it all, that's what I describe you as.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I thought this was an interesting tweet in relation to some points made in this thread

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling
·
Aug 16
It’s so weird how they could be mistaken for threatening, misogynistic incels if you
didn’t know they’re the most vulnerable, marginalised group™️ in the world.


Biology Rules Ok@OkayBiology
·
Aug 16
Wherever women gather to speak about rights - masked trans activists always turn up to threaten them.🙄
These masked men are carrying a banner calling for the death of TERFs & the death of Australia.🇦🇺
And another banner demanding guns to carry out their threats🚩



https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1956640145890799922

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

That's good to hear because all you are doing now is telling me how my life experiences and monthly chat with 2 trans women effect me. Perhaps if you were present at these encounters then perhaps maybe then you could have an opinion on my personal encounters and how they effect the way I see things. You wernt though, so until then you can jog on with your analysis of me, my personal experiences and my uptake on things.


Know it all, that's what I describe you as.

That's fair enough!

[BBXX]

Nevermind, cba.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Nevermind, cba.

You do know you can just delete an entire post.