[Maru]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The French are meant to be proudly secular, they should have told the thugs to do one, and brought in security.

You'd think...

Edit: I should mention that being "secular" doesn't necessarily mean good values will prevail. Religion, whatever we think of it individually, draws a fairly clear line in the sand on what it will tolerate. So in some ways it will always have the upper hand... Secular people, imo, are more likely to stand in the sidelines and do jack sh** even when society has clearly gone off the rails and can easily be shackled into inaction just from things like peer pressure... that's the main issue I have with Libertarian-ism, etc... yes, it's great to be so accepting, but one has to stand for something at the end of the day... if one doesn't know what is right and wrong on a visceral level, then one's willpower to do the right thing at the right time may come too late after the damage is already done. A few people like this is fine, but when it becomes a societal tendency, then it spells trouble... there's many examples of this across the West... and imo, Radical Islam are taking full advantage of that slip in our ability to even call out basic things as being a major problem...