[arista]

[arista]

[Appearing on Loose Women,
the Dance Moms star, 22, said: 'He's the brightest light
in my life, he's the thing that makes me the happiest.'

Janet Street-Porter then asked what her
family thought of Chris,
with JoJo revealing:
'Oh, my mum absolutely adores him.

'My dad and he are best friends, my brother just
asked him to be a groomsman in his wedding.]

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

She spoke about Abbey
who got her at a HIGH LEVEL of dancing.

That’s open to discussion


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

[Appearing on Loose Women,
the Dance Moms star, 22, said: 'He's the brightest light
in my life, he's the thing that makes me the happiest.'

Janet Street-Porter then asked what her
family thought of Chris,
with JoJo revealing:
'Oh, my mum absolutely adores him.

'My dad and he are best friends, my brother just
asked him to be a groomsman in his wedding.]

Is that THE Janet Kitchen Porter who knew all about what Jimmy SaVILE was getting up to and did nothings about it ( neither did her friend Esther Ransid ( who was CEO of Childline at the time)


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[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Yes Eamonn has upgraded to Katie

she is a scorcher

Obviously it's another Paul Daniels moment.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Ruth Langsford
much older

Yep, 65 but she's still a hot milf.

Always looks smart.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Yes Eamonn has upgraded to Katie

she is a scorcher

Didn’t take him long … willing to bet he’s had her on the side for years


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

This is a weird thing to say.

Someone can identify as one thing and then discover feelings about others. Sexuality is fluid and some people are more certain about their own sexuality than others. To say it was a trick is to imply it was an actual lie for nefarious reasons, which you have no proof of.

Moreover, unless you're in a relationship with them, nobody else's sexual identity has anything to do with you so to claim you've been tricked is really off base.

What Mickey did and said was still completely inappropriate, Jo Jo falling for a man doesn't change any of that.

Where did I mention Mickey? I agree with you that his behaviour towards her was bad, I still stand by that.

And how on earth can someone be sexuality fluid? I'm genuinely curious about that one.

And when they're on Reality TV Show talking about their sexuality/overall identity a lot, then I'm sorry to tell you this but she's made it the audiences business, so you're wrong factually to say that it's "got nothing to do with me" when she basically made her entire stint in the house be about her sexuality and the community that she represents.

And it is not a weird thing to say that a 22 year old should know what sexuality they are, I honestly don't buy that she didn't know, but that's just my very controversial opinion, and I do apologise if I am wrong about that, but I just don't believe that I am.

And just to add, is it really wrong to pull up a Housemate for potentially lying about themselves on a show where the public vote? I mean basic standards do need to be met.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Where did I mention Mickey? I agree with you that his behaviour towards her was bad, I still stand by that.

You said: “I remember some of us were even defending her against Mickey and his supporters.” as if her now fancying a ma somehow made that defence null and pointless.

And how on earth can someone be sexuality fluid? I'm genuinely curious about that one.

Some people have no attraction to certain genders, some have attraction to all, some fall in love with the person regardless of gender, etc… it’s a spectrum.

And when they're on Reality TV Show talking about their sexuality/overall identity a lot, then I'm sorry to tell you this but she's made it the audiences business, so you're wrong factually to say that it's "got nothing to do with me" when she basically made her entire stint in the house be about her sexuality and the community that she represents.

It’s got nothing to do with you in the way you were inferring, as if she specifically lied to mislead. If someone went on big brother and said they were straight and then met someone in there who they fell fall and came out and said okay it turns out they’re bisexual after all because they discovered something about themselves, would you feel misled?

And it is not a weird thing to say that a 22 year old should know what sexuality they are, I honestly don't buy that she didn't know, but that's just my very controversial opinion, and I do apologise if I am wrong about that, but I just don't believe that I am.

You’re speaking from your own experience alone. Not everyone’s experiences with sexuality are the same. I think you should consider that.

And just to add, is it really wrong to pull up a Housemate for potentially lying about themselves on a show where the public vote? I mean basic standards do need to be met.

It’s wrong to frame it as fact and that her falling for someone who was a different gender to who she is used to loving is somehow deceptive.

Nobody owes anyone an explanation for who they fall in love with and it’s strange to think we have ownership on the path of their sexuality to the point of feeling betrayed if they veer from the path we’ve put them on. You’re holding them to an unfair standard. Love and emotion and sexuality and attraction is complex.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

She's still young enough to not truly know what her sexuality is - especially when she's grown up under a spotlight, with every aspect of her life being labelled from above.

I don't see public pressure being the reason. It would have had to have come from somewhere in the background, which I don't believe.

At the time when she did come out as a lesbian it did significantly effect her brand negatively and alienated much of her old (but aging) base. Some of them were parents who were approving of their children's obsession with her up to the point of spending big *ss money to support their fandom. Apparently she had made a killing selling tons of Jojo-themed items to them (Jojo's bows, etc). Anyway, Nickelodeon weren't particularly happy with having to deal with working around that.

Edit: She did seem to blame the LGBT community for pressuring her to hold to one label over another. It's in one of my recaps of her post-BB interviews... I'd have to go find it...


Re: Her ongoing brand/rebrand;

Her sexuality and her relationships have been such a big part of her professional persona, in both her music and her online presence, it's likely impossible to separate "normal Jojo" from total fiction. So I agree there is some overlap as to why she may push one label over another, but I don't think it's for the reasons we are being told. (emotionally fragile child star, etc)

For example: Her ignorance due to her sheltered child star past I think is more fiction than not. She's tried to model her style and business from her DM days. She even opened a dance school with her Mom that used methods very close to Abby's. It had similar reviews and complaints like the school Abby had run that were considered abusive and yet she was allegedly purported to be one of Abby's biggest victims if going by viral videos and the way the fans speak of her. She has been leaning into that without going so far to alienate her Mom or Abby from her brand.

There may be actual fallout later that does connect back to those events later on that might reflect the actual damage to her psyche, but I also think she's choosing to play up those childhood experiences as part of a brand, especially the worst bits that went viral on the internet to play up her persona. She's not very choosy as to which parts of her personality and personal life are openly monetized.

When I was writing commentary on one of her interviews (I think it was with Nick Viall), I had a good laugh because she slipped during one of her self-discovery tangents about how her experience in BB had reflected so strongly upon her and transformed her and taught her all these important things about her past and how she's now learned to see differently, etc... but then immediately almost as if in the same thought, she announced a new song and said "Oh, and that's why I did this song" (Yes, like that)... as if the song had been written just for that big moment.

That was a huge slip and showed just how methodical even her organic moments of "self-discovery" play a huge role in how she conducts her brand and markets herself. So yeah, that suggested to me to not really trust much of what comes out of Jojo's mouth and that it's likely really a waste of time trying to figure out what is or isn't fictional with her at any moment... especially if it's something she's actively milking on her Tiktok, etc, taking advantage of the fact people are addicted to knowing what happens with her weird brand next...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

You said: “I remember some of us were even defending her against Mickey and his supporters.” as if her now fancying a ma somehow made that defence null and pointless.



Some people have no attraction to certain genders, some have attraction to all, some fall in love with the person regardless of gender, etc… it’s a spectrum.



It’s got nothing to do with you in the way you were inferring, as if she specifically lied to mislead. If someone went on big brother and said they were straight and then met someone in there who they fell fall and came out and said okay it turns out they’re bisexual after all because they discovered something about themselves, would you feel misled?



You’re speaking from your own experience alone. Not everyone’s experiences with sexuality are the same. I think you should consider that.



It’s wrong to frame it as fact and that her falling for someone who was a different gender to who she is used to loving is somehow deceptive.

Nobody owes anyone an explanation for who they fall in love with and it’s strange to think we have ownership on the path of their sexuality to the point of feeling betrayed if they veer from the path we’ve put them on. You’re holding them to an unfair standard. Love and emotion and sexuality and attraction is complex.

What I meant by that is she attached herself as being apart of the Lesbian community, and I remember there were those of us on TIBB that were defending Jojo against Mickey and some people on his side on here when he was being Homophobic towards her, talking about how he was "going to show her a good time."

Jojo has made some Homophobic people believe in that stereotype that being a Lesbian is "flexible" which I personally don't like seeing on the Internet, especially when they start taking the piss out of those of us who were having her back against Mickey.

What Mickey said was bad, I said it at the time and I still standby it now.

I'm just disappointed that I believe that Jojo possibly played the public.

It would depend on the age of the straight person, and if they were talking about being straight being such an important part of their identity, like Jojo did do in her series, plus she's in her 20's, she's not a teenager trying to understand her sexual preferences.

Fair point, if you don't mind me asking, how old were you (roundabouts) when you were confident about your sexuality? I understand it's a personal question, so fair enough if you don't want to answer it.

I said it's factually wrong for you to say that I can't comment about her possibly deceiving the public, when the whole point of Big Brother is discussing everything that they bring to the table.

Yes it's not a fact that my opinion is correct, but going by your logic what proof do you have that she wasn't lying on the Show?

Or to put the other point out there, what's to say that she's not lying now?

After all we know that more conservative (not the party) viewpoints are becoming more mainstream, especially amongst young men and she could be trying to tap into that market.

Now after saying all of this, do I think that Jojo is some evil entity that nobody should like? No, but do I trust anything that she says about herself at this point? Tbh no.

And I can't speak about love in a romantic sense as I've never experienced that, thankfully after seeing Rylie on BBUSA this season. So I will take your word on it being complex.

Attraction isn't really that complex though I believe. Because as shallow as it is to say, it's do you think that the other person is physically attractive or not.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

I don't see public pressure being the reason. It would have had to have come from somewhere in the background, which I don't believe.

At the time when she did come out as a lesbian it did significantly effect her brand negatively and alienated much of her old (but aging) base. Some of them were parents who were approving of their children's obsession with her up to the point of spending big *ss money to support their fandom. Apparently she had made a killing selling tons of Jojo-themed items to them (Jojo's bows, etc). Anyway, Nickelodeon weren't particularly happy with having to deal with working around that.

Edit: She did seem to blame the LGBT community for pressuring her to hold to one label over another. It's in one of my recaps of her post-BB interviews... I'd have to go find it...


Re: Her ongoing brand/rebrand;

Her sexuality and her relationships have been such a big part of her professional persona, in both her music and her online presence, it's likely impossible to separate "normal Jojo" from total fiction. So I agree there is some overlap as to why she may push one label over another, but I don't think it's for the reasons we are being told. (emotionally fragile child star, etc)

For example: Her ignorance due to her sheltered child star past I think is more fiction than not. She's tried to model her style and business from her DM days. She even opened a dance school with her Mom that used methods very close to Abby's. It had similar reviews and complaints like the school Abby had run that were considered abusive and yet she was allegedly purported to be one of Abby's biggest victims if going by viral videos and the way the fans speak of her. She has been leaning into that without going so far to alienate her Mom or Abby from her brand.

There may be actual fallout later that does connect back to those events later on that might reflect the actual damage to her psyche, but I also think she's choosing to play up those childhood experiences as part of a brand, especially the worst bits that went viral on the internet to play up her persona. She's not very choosy as to which parts of her personality and personal life are openly monetized.

When I was writing commentary on one of her interviews (I think it was with Nick Viall), I had a good laugh because she slipped during one of her self-discovery tangents about how her experience in BB had reflected so strongly upon her and transformed her and taught her all these important things about her past and how she's now learned to see differently, etc... but then immediately almost as if in the same thought, she announced a new song and said "Oh, and that's why I did this song" (Yes, like that)... as if the song had been written just for that big moment.

That was a huge slip and showed just how methodical even her organic moments of "self-discovery" play a huge role in how she conducts her brand and markets herself. So yeah, that suggested to me to not really trust much of what comes out of Jojo's mouth and that it's likely really a waste of time trying to figure out what is or isn't fictional with her at any moment... especially if it's something she's actively milking on her Tiktok, etc, taking advantage of the fact people are addicted to knowing what happens with her weird brand next...

I 100% agree with the BIB in particular.

And just to clarify to any Jojo fans on here, I honestly don't even dislike her, I've seen much worse people on Big Brother over the years, including the international versions.

But I don't trust what she says in the media at this point.

Although I still trust her word more than Politicians and Footballers.

[Mystic Mock]

I just want to say thank you to @BBXX for a really fun debate.

We might not always agree, and I might not always put my points across in the best light.

But I do love debating with people, and I do respect people that aren't afraid to say their opinions.

Now I'll stop hogging up the thread.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I just want to say thank you to @BBXX for a really fun debate.

We might not always agree, and I might not always put my points across in the best light.

But I do love debating with people, and I do respect people that aren't afraid to say their opinions.

Now I'll stop hogging up the thread.

You too. You make some good points above - I think JoJo has handled this pretty poorly post-show and has basically said "lol lesbian? moi? you have the wrong girl!" which probably pissed a lot of lesbians off because you're right, it does given some ammo to homophobes that lesbian's can change - but JoJo has also spoken about feeling like she needed to box herself in when she came out, which I also understands can happen. Unfortunately, some people in the LGBT community are obsessed with labels, so I also want to give her a little bit of grace because while 22 is not adolescent, she's still pretty young, has had a pretty unique upbringing and probably felt like she had to say things that maybe weren't exactly how she felt.

I think regardless, I wouldn't say she's lied to manipulate or mislead but rather was super confused and said a lot of stuff that maybe she wasn't confident in to begin with.

I respect your opinion and appreciate the debate

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

You too. You make some good points above - I think JoJo has handled this pretty poorly post-show and has basically said "lol lesbian? moi? you have the wrong girl!" which probably pissed a lot of lesbians off because you're right, it does given some ammo to homophobes that lesbian's can change - but JoJo has also spoken about feeling like she needed to box herself in when she came out, which I also understands can happen. Unfortunately, some people in the LGBT community are obsessed with labels, so I also want to give her a little bit of grace because while 22 is not adolescent, she's still pretty young, has had a pretty unique upbringing and probably felt like she had to say things that maybe weren't exactly how she felt.

I think regardless, I wouldn't say she's lied to manipulate or mislead but rather was super confused and said a lot of stuff that maybe she wasn't confident in to begin with.

I respect your opinion and appreciate the debate

Thanks BBXX, and you do make fair points in this thread in general.

[Zizu]

Has she ever discussed her comments to Mickey Rourke where she claimed she wasn’t interested in men ( or something like that) ???


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[Maru]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Has she ever discussed her comments to Mickey Rourke where she claimed she wasn’t interested in men ( or something like that) ???

No she seemed to be too busy character analyzing for him in her interviews.