[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No they said it would never happen, I know what was said and the names I was called, and why should women pay the price?

I'm not saying they should, I am not advocating this person be put in a woman's jail but also not advocating for legitimate trans women to be barred from women's spaces either, as you well know.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I'm not saying they should, I am not advocating this person be put in a woman's jail but also not advocating for legitimate trans women to be barred from women's spaces either, as you well know.

Would you agree that self ID was the worst thing that could happen to transpeople particularly transwomen? I have long wondered why the trans community have not come out in support of the notion that opportunists would jump on this with both feet

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Would you agree that self ID was the worst thing that could happen to transpeople particularly transwomen? I have long wondered why the trans community have not come out in support of the notion that opportunists would jump on this with both feet

Self-ID without any kind of medical diagnosis is not a legal option in the UK, though.

You need a medical diagnosis to obtain a GRC, then you have a two year wait in which you have to live your life as the gender you identify as and intend to do so permanently.

I appreciate that you might have an issue with people living their life without the GRC, but you do realise it's a stipulation to do so? So if they don't, their application will not be granted. What are trans people to do?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Self-ID without any kind of medical diagnosis is not a legal option in the UK, though.

You need a medical diagnosis to obtain a GRC, then you have a two year wait in which you have to live your life as the gender you identify as and intend to do so permanently.

I appreciate that you might have an issue with people living their life without the GRC, but you do realise it's a stipulation to do so? So if they don't, their application will not be granted. What are trans people to do?

What self respecting GP who wants to keep their job will say no?

and there are plenty countries where self ID is fully legal


Countries that allow self-identification of gender legally include:
1
Denmark: Allows legal gender change with a simple declaration.
1
Iceland: Fully recognizes non-binary gender.
1
Malta: Recognizes non-binary gender and has implemented depathologization.
1
Germany: Plans to make it easier for trans people to officially change their first name and gender.
1
Ireland
These countries have established laws that facilitate the recognition of gender identity without requiring extensive medical procedures.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What self respecting GP who wants to keep their job will say no?

and there are plenty countries where self ID is fully legal


Countries that allow self-identification of gender legally include:
1
Denmark: Allows legal gender change with a simple declaration.
1
Iceland: Fully recognizes non-binary gender.
1
Malta: Recognizes non-binary gender and has implemented depathologization.
1
Germany: Plans to make it easier for trans people to officially change their first name and gender.
1
Ireland
These countries have established laws that facilitate the recognition of gender identity without requiring extensive medical procedures.

I know, I was just talking about the UK.

Curiously, out of the Top 10 Safest countries for women, seven (eight until literally last month) do not require GRC or any medical diagnosis to be able to self-ID.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Self-ID without any kind of medical diagnosis is not a legal option in the UK, though.

You need a medical diagnosis to obtain a GRC, then you have a two year wait in which you have to live your life as the gender you identify as and intend to do so permanently.

I appreciate that you might have an issue with people living their life without the GRC, but you do realise it's a stipulation to do so? So if they don't, their application will not be granted. What are trans people to do?

…see, this is a confusion that I was trying to clarify as well…has Marla-Svenja Liebich lived as a female at all and has a GRC…?…and why with a custodial sentence which has to be served without any thought of parole, has it taken two years of bail or freedom for that sentence to begin…

…(…it seems that…)…’Liebich had changed gender and first name by making a "simple declaration" to the registry office in Schkeuditz in north-west Saxony’.…this is based on the new regulations of the Self-Determination Act, which came into force in November last year…however this is also stated in the article I’ll link…

‘The Saxon Ministry of Justice emphasised to the local daily Mitteldeutsche Zeitung that additional psychological or medical reports can be used in certain cases. These include, for example, if there is a suspicion that someone may have deliberately changed the gender entry in order to influence the prison conditions.’

…so it’s all a bit of an absolute, total mess really and a German government mess that was due to be reviewed in 2026 but hopefully this case will be looked at now…


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/convicted-...183023951.html