[Beso]

Have a guess before looking

https://youtube.com/shorts/MzDvvc3as...aWH-bKpH61GLBs

[Livia]

It'll be the person holding his national flag in his own country.

The police has lost so much respect, they're the Trans and Palestine Supporters Protection Service now.

[Maru]

That was a confrontation waiting to happen.

[emseateng2014]

im guessing euro country flags

[Crimson Dynamo]

A caravan sprayed with ‘Free Palestine’ graffiti sat untouched for 6 months.

Locals added a St George’s Cross, and it was removed in 72 hours.

Josh & Ryan tell @martinDaubney
: 'We’re silenced for being patriotic… the second we act, we’re called far-right.'

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1965095224662778305

[BBXX]

Why did they put the St George's cross onto the same caravan? Is it because St George had Palestinian heritage, or did they do it as some kind of counter protest? Seems a weird thing to do really.

It's funny how selective this patriotism is. Being patriotic just as a trend, and using your national flag to make others feel unwelcome isn't patriotic at all.

[Livia]

How come the least patriotic, most reactionary people are always experts not only in what patriotism means, but in what other people are thinking? Hilarious...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

A caravan sprayed with ‘Free Palestine’ graffiti sat untouched for 6 months.

Locals added a St George’s Cross, and it was removed in 72 hours.

Josh & Ryan tell @martinDaubney
: 'We’re silenced for being patriotic… the second we act, we’re called far-right.'

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1965095224662778305

is no one going to call out the spelling Paeestine.... Paeestine 4eva....off you pop then

[BBXX]

Anyone who had really looked at what patriotism actually is would understand it's a complex, multi-faceted thing that can take many forms for many reasons.

None of those forms include hating on minorities and wanting them to make them feel unwelcome in the country.

I think it's also plainly obvious that the majority of these flag statements are nothing to do with patriotism. When it's done at a time of political unease and is done in conjunction with anti-migrant discourse then it's not about pride in the country.

Sorry but anyone claiming otherwise is lying to themselves.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

is no one going to call out the spelling Paeestine.... Paeestine 4eva....off you pop then

I kind of expect people who are working for the good of Hamas to be illiterate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Sorry but anyone claiming otherwise is lying to themselves.

Its not up for debate I know best


how very magnanimous of you

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Its not up for debate I know best


how very magnanimous of you

I've been given zero reason to think otherwise. Not one.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Why did they put the St George's cross onto the same caravan? Is it because St George had Palestinian heritage, or did they do it as some kind of counter protest? Seems a weird thing to do really.

It's funny how selective this patriotism is. Being patriotic just as a trend, and using your national flag to make others feel unwelcome isn't patriotic at all.

Whereas with your mindset.. waving a Palestinian flag to make UK jews feel unwelcome amd uncomfortable will be patriotic.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Why did they put the St George's cross onto the same caravan? Is it because St George had Palestinian heritage, or did they do it as some kind of counter protest? Seems a weird thing to do really.

It's funny how selective this patriotism is. Being patriotic just as a trend, and using your national flag to make others feel unwelcome isn't patriotic at all.

Why would waving a flag of your nation make people feel unwelcome?

Seems a strange thing to say!

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Whereas with your mindset.. waving a Palestinian flag to make UK jews feel unwelcome amd uncomfortable will be patriotic.

Not at all, I see it as a protest in the same way as I see this 'Raising the Colours' as a protest. I would criticise anyone waving a Palestinian flag with the intent of making Jewish people feel unwelcome. Raising it to support Palestinian civilians is fine. Flying it in an act of anti-semitism is not okay. In the same way that I have a neighbour who has for as long as I can remember had a Union flag up in their garden and I have never thought it to be problematic because that is an actual sign of patriotism.

I'm not sure where you've got this impression I am anti-Jew. I've spoke maybe twice about the Israeli / Palestine conflict and I've simply said I don't believe civilians - on either side - should be caught up in political wars. I've also openly criticised anti-semitism and agreed it's a discrimination that seems to be unfortunately brushed under the carpet and accepted a lot of the time.

I think if you're trying to paint me out to be anti-Jewish you should take a look back over my posting history.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

A caravan sprayed with ‘Free Palestine’ graffiti sat untouched for 6 months.

Locals added a St George’s Cross, and it was removed in 72 hours.

Josh & Ryan tell @martinDaubney
: 'We’re silenced for being patriotic… the second we act, we’re called far-right.'

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1965095224662778305

These stories shouldn't be so amusing but they kinda are...

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Why would waving a flag of your nation make people feel unwelcome?

Seems a strange thing to say!

Does context and intent mean anything to you, or....? You're being deliberately ignorant and I won't waste my time especially when I've already explained above that the context in which the flags are being waved within creates an altogether different message separate from "we love our country".

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Does context and intent mean anything to you, or....? You're being deliberately ignorant and I won't waste my time especially when I've already explained above that the context in which the flags are being waved within creates an altogether different message separate from "we love our country".

So waving Palestine flags is supporting another nation in protest hanging a flag in your garden is patriotic. Putting up flags on lamposts is a sign of protest.
..



So which part makes it flying the English to make immigrants feel unwelcome...where does that come into it? The organisers of raising the flags, have stated it's a protest against the government's attack on free speech, but you seem to be saying it's being done to make immigrants feel unwelcome, whilst saying the waving of any other nations flag is not done to make anyone feel unwelcome..


I'm slightly confused with your stance here!



And what about the members of the public taking them down, what does that make them? Unpatriotic?

[BBXX]

So which part makes it flying the English to make immigrants feel unwelcome...where does that come into it?

What's currently happening with the raising of the colours is happening in conjunction with and alongside anti-migrant rhetoric.

The organisers of raising the flags, have stated it's a protest against the government's attack on free speech

The man who was a member of the EDL, is linked with Britain First and was jailed for affray due to his part in a race-related killing? Sorry if I don't believe him when he says it's not about immigration. Question is, why do you?

...whilst saying the waving of any other nations flag is not done to make anyone feel unwelcome..

I didn't say that. The intention behind waving any national flag decides whether it's done to hurt or for patriotic reasons. It's not the action, but the reasoning. If someone hangs a bunch of Palestinian flags outside of a Synagogue that is hateful and wrong because it's done to intimidate.

And what about the members of the public taking them down, what does that make them? Unpatriotic?

I would say in the current climate, it's a counter protest against the intentions behind many people putting them up. In any normal situation, when it's not linked with a far-right racist criminal, or not linked with anti-immigration messaging, or not hung outside mosques to intimidate, that, yes, the pulling down of a national flag flown for patriotic reasons is unpatriotic and hateful.

Sorry if the nuance behind this subject is confusing you.

[Beso]

What's currently happening with the raising of the colours is happening in conjunction with and alongside anti-migrant rhetoric.







And Labour's attack on free speech. Which is what the organisers are saying it's about...but you won't accept that cause you are to tied up in the point the finger and shout racist rhetoric that is used by protesters who refuse to talk.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

And Labour's attack on free speech. Which is what the organisers are saying it's about...

So it is a protest then and not down to patriotism.

Cool, thanks for confirming.

[Beso]

The man who was a member of the EDL, is linked with Britain First and was jailed for affray due to his part in a race-related killing? Sorry if I don't believe him when he says it's not about immigration. Question is, why do you?



The woeley warriors were the first to raise the flags, and they did it to stick 2 fingers up at the government and to take the flag back from the racists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Joseph Moulton, an organiser with Flag Force UK, told GB News that the group wanted to make a "positive impact" rather than just "complaining on social media".

"For us, raising the flag and tidying the local area is about mobilising the community, rekindling social responsibility, and restoring pride in where we live.

"In recent years, especially since Covid, the loss of pubs and communal spaces, and the pressures of the cost of living, people have become more atomised and insular.

"Combined with wider social and economic difficulties, it is clear we need to start taking responsibility for our communities and making a positive impact, rather than just complaining on social media."

[Beso]

would say in the current climate, it's a counter protest against the intentions behind many people putting them up. In any normal situation, when it's not linked with a far-right racist criminal, or not linked with anti-immigration messaging, or not hung outside mosques to intimidate, that, yes, the pulling down of a national flag flown for patriotic reasons is unpatriotic and hateful.




So how do they decipher who's flags whose....or do they just trample over the many, hoping it effects the few?




And stick your sly pathetic little dig at the end where the sun don't shine.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Joseph Moulton, an organiser with Flag Force UK, told GB News that the group wanted to make a "positive impact" rather than just "complaining on social media".

"For us, raising the flag and tidying the local area is about mobilising the community, rekindling social responsibility, and restoring pride in where we live.

"In recent years, especially since Covid, the loss of pubs and communal spaces, and the pressures of the cost of living, people have become more atomised and insular.

"Combined with wider social and economic difficulties, it is clear we need to start taking responsibility for our communities and making a positive impact, rather than just complaining on social media."

Operation Raise the Colours, which is what I mentioned, was co-founded by Adrien Currien/Saxon, it was him I was referencing.