[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

So it is a protest then and not down to patriotism.

Cool, thanks for confirming.

You won't see me saying anything else....although it is patriotic people doing it.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

would say in the current climate, it's a counter protest against the intentions behind many people putting them up. In any normal situation, when it's not linked with a far-right racist criminal, or not linked with anti-immigration messaging, or not hung outside mosques to intimidate, that, yes, the pulling down of a national flag flown for patriotic reasons is unpatriotic and hateful.

So how do they decipher who's flags whose....or do they just trample over the many, hoping it effects the few?

They can't, but I haven't advocated for people to pull them down. I have just disagreed with those putting them up for negative and intimidating reasons.

My main point in this thread was that a large proportion of flags going up aren't for patriotism but for protest, which has yet to be proven wrong and in fact has been confirmed to be true.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Beso

You won't see me saying anything else....although it is patriotic people doing it.

Wasting your breath there, Parm. Pride flags, fine. Palestine flags, fine. Trans flags, fine. Our own national flag... racist. You can't win.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

They can't, but I haven't advocated for people to pull them down. I have just disagreed with those putting them up for negative and intimidating reasons.

My main point in this thread was that a large proportion of flags going up aren't for patriotism but for protest, which has yet to be proven wrong and in fact has been confirmed to be true.

Yes, but not a protest about immigrants in hotels, a protest about free speech, which is what the organisers have confirmed.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Wasting your breath there, Parm. Pride flags, fine. Palestine flags, fine. Trans flags, fine. Our own national flag... racist. You can't win.

Your reading comprehension is truly diabolical.

[Beso]

So @BBXX

I'm assuming you know your neighbour?

So with that you accept they have a flag in their garden because they are patriotic?

Yet all these other people putting up flags that you don't know are doing it to protest against immigrants and in doing so, to further make them feel unwelcome even though those people you don't know are saying it's against the government's attack on free speech?


Is that correct?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Your reading comprehension is truly diabolical.

Livias comment was clearly direct towards me. Maybe heed your own advice from yesterday, that you gave out When I answered your unclear who it was directed to question for livia

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Your reading comprehension is truly diabolical.

So are your manners

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

So @BBXX

I'm assuming you know your neighbour?

So with that you accept they have a flag in their garden because they are patriotic?

Yet all these other people putting up flags that you don't know are doing it to protest against immigrants and in doing so, to further make them feel unwelcome even though those people you don't know are saying it's against the government's attack on free speech?

Is that correct?

I didn't say all, I said it's clear a significant proportion, and that's because it's coincided with anti-immigration messaging and linked to far right EDL-ers.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Livias comment was clearly direct towards me. Maybe heed your own advice from yesterday, that you gave out When I answered your unclear who it was directed to question for livia

Directed to you, about me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Big Rangers Millwall Union Jack proudly flying over the A2 today

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

So are your manners

That's a completely fair comment, that was rude, but she's essentially lying about what I am saying and the evidence is all in this thread.

I literally gave an example of why flying a Palestinian flag under certain circumstances would be completely inappropriate, I gave examples of where/when I think flying the national flag is completely appropriate. Nowhere did I say the flag was racist.

Finally, we didn't even mention pride or trans flags but Livia is obsessed with trans people for some reason so she needed to bring them into the convo, obviously.

I'm all for debate but I'm not here for having my views misrepresented when I've been super clear.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I didn't say all, I said it's clear a significant proportion, and that's because it's coincided with anti-immigration messaging and linked to far right EDL-ers.

I still believe you are wrong. It also makes no sense why a flag flying atop a lamppost would make anyone feel unwelcome...it would be more likely that they would feel welcome, in a putting the bunting up for us kind of way..

We will have to disagree cause the free speech angle seems a much more plausible to me.


The people taking them down! What has that coincided with, who's allegiances would they share?

[Beso]

The free speech thing is why they are going up.


And the video in the op shows why. You simply don't get the leeway the left get from the police if you are draped in an English or British flag. The flags started going up when the left counter protesters at the hotels were being bussed in and out to confront the concerned locals by the police themselves.

The other video posted yesterday further proves the 2 tier policing when the police arrested the one man being surrounded kicked and punched by a terrorist organisations supporters, rather than arresting them.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

The free speech thing is why they are going up.

And the video in the op shows why

https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/co...t=share_button

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/co...t=share_button

Do you see a flag in this dated video from basildin...or just 2 young arseholes painting a flag?


Have you seen the clip of the fella jumping out his van to kick away the ladder of someone putting a flag up sending him crashing to the ground.

So tell me, in this particular gameof na na., got ya...which is worse the physical or verbal assault.



Using 2 young lads in basildon as proof of being correct in an assumption is a bit pathetic, even from you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Do you see a flag in this dated video from basildin...or just 2 young arseholes painting a flag?

Using 2 young lads in basildon as proof of being correct in an assumption is a bit pathetic, even from you.

Raising the colours is not just about literally flags but also includes the painting on the ground/walls that's being done. Here we see people taking part in 'raising the colours' while simultaneously being racist. Are you suggesting that nobody who is taking part of Operation Raising the Colours is doing it for racist reasons despite it being co-founded by an actual racist?

Have you seen the clip of the fella jumping out his van to kick away the ladder of someone putting a flag up sending him crashing to the ground.

No, but that's horrific and he should get a stint in prison for assault.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Raising the colours is not just about literally flags but also includes the painting on the ground/walls that's being done. Here we see people taking part in 'raising the colours' while simultaneously being racist. Are you suggesting that nobody who is taking part of Operation Raising the Colours is doing it for racist reasons despite it being co-founded by an actual racist?





No, but that's horrific and he should get a stint in prison for assault.

Once not wanting immigrants to come to the UK is actually racist, then I will answer your question..


As of now, you dont need to be racist to not want them here.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Once not wanting immigrants to come to the UK is actually racist, then I will answer your question..

As of now, you dont need to be racist to not want them here.

It's fair to say that being anti-immigration isn't inherently racist - it really depends on the reason you oppose immigration - but if you are a racist, like the guys in the video or the people who scrawled "go home" on the Chinese takeaway alongside a St. Georges Cross, then your anti-immigration stance is highly likely because of your racism.

Not all people who are anti-immigration are racist, but it's likely all racists will be anti-immigration.

[Glenn.]

Anyone claiming the sudden surge in flags across the country isn’t tied to racism is trolling. There’s no honest explanation for the sheer volume of them appearing.

Racists try to mask it with talk of patriotism and national pride, insisting it’s their right to fly the flag. Of course it is. No one is saying otherwise. But where was this overwhelming pride before? If it was genuine, you’d see flags flying all year round, not just spiking in moments that conveniently align with hostility toward outsiders.

Patriotism isn’t seasonal. Pride in your country doesn’t appear and vanish depending on the political climate. The sudden wave of flags isn’t about love of country. It’s about sending a message, and that message is exclusionary.

[Beso]

2 steps forward....1 giant leep backwards.


Talk another time @BBXX.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Operation Raise the Colours: Bexley Council keeps flags



In Bexley, St George’s flags will not be removed from buildings and lampposts unless they pose a health and safety risk to the public.

The move follows a very popular national online movement called Operation Raise the Colours, which has seen flags appear on lampposts, buildings, and even mini roundabouts across England, prompting many councils to respond.

Residents are encouraged to display flags responsibly


A spokesperson for Sir Keir Starmer said the Prime Minister is “absolutely” in favour of people who put up English flags.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It's fair to say that being anti-immigration isn't inherently racist - it really depends on the reason you oppose immigration - but if you are a racist, like the guys in the video or the people who scrawled "go home" on the Chinese takeaway alongside a St. Georges Cross, then your anti-immigration stance is highly likely because of your racism.

Not all people who are anti-immigration are racist, but it's likely all racists will be anti-immigration.

I agree with the last bit..


The movement probably has been and will be hijacked by racists, but like the ice bucket challenge, you can't stop people from participating in an online craze.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Urgh it’s scary how real that looks, AI sucks.

what sucks is people trying to run down hard-working Mums and Dads who want to protect their children