[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Labour is not far left though, not by any stretch and they are essentially becoming Tory Lite - almost as right wing and probably even more Authoritarian. The UK is not led by a far left party.

Maybe so, but he's holding the door wide open to the far left whilst closing it firmly in the face of the moderate right.


He may have had to act against Palestine action, but that was a step to far by them that caused it.

The 100s perhaps 1000s arrested for supporting them had to be done (something i didnt agree with)

But where are the sensational headlines, where is the fast tracking to court and orison, where is the public humiliation and ruining of lives for these terrorist supporters that the victims of the police, and starmers judges received simply for shouting nasty words got last summer?


Thats the rage the people feel, the feeling of being treated differently, many feeling its becauae of their class. The working class, betrayed by a so called working class party., all because pathetic starmer wanted to act all tough.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

But where are the sensational headlines, where is the fast tracking to court and orison, where is the public humiliation and ruining of lives for these terrorist supporters that the victims of the police, and starmers judges received simply for shouting nasty words got last summer?

C'mon, dude....

Terrorist Supporters:







Shouting Nasty Words:

[Beso]

Are you denying hefty sentences were handed down for protestors for shouting at the police?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Are you denying hefty sentences were handed down for protestors for shouting at the police?

I am denying that's just what it was and that you're underplaying what happened. Remember that 41% of those arrested during those protests last year were already known to police because of domestic abuse. To suggest people arrested last year were done so unfairly and just for 'nasty words' is undermining the extent of what happened which was destruction, violence and racist abuse towards minorities - some who were born and raised here and just happened to not be white.

I think we should be honest about what last year actually was and it wasn't just "shouting nasty words".

[Beso]

The courts should have judged each case on merit
They didn't. Thats why we are here.

Thousands took to the streets, you can't judge them all on the actions of a violent minority. Only the courts can do that at the bequest of a PM it seems.

[Crimson Dynamo]

30 months in prison for chanting "who the ******* is Allah?"

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s been CONFIRMED by the Met Police that of the 26 arrests reported by the media only 8
were attributed to UTK British Patriots! 18 arrests were counter protest agitators!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

It’s been CONFIRMED by the Met Police that of the 26 arrests reported by the media only 8
were attributed to UTK British Patriots! 18 arrests were counter protest agitators!

Counter protestors. Thats the ones all masked up if anyone's confused

[arista]

[18 arrests were counter protest agitators]


Yes we need to know that.

Trouble is, at this time,
it is non stop Trump in Windsor
on the news.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

It’s been CONFIRMED by the Met Police that of the 26 arrests reported by the media only 8
were attributed to UTK British Patriots! 18 arrests were counter protest agitators!

Amazing! So glad to see that those on the right aren't being unfairly arrested after all!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Amazing! So glad to see that those on the right aren't being unfairly arrested after all!

Perhaps the numbers talked. Perhaps the police are finally realising the threat is from the Nazi left.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Perhaps the numbers talked. Perhaps the police are finally realising the threat is from the Nazi left.

Or perhaps it was a problem that was invented this whole time.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Or perhaps it was a problem that was invented this whole time.

Take your blinkers off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The whole event was a roaring success.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Take your blinkers off.

Let's say you are right.

What would your thoughts be on the notion that the far right-wing arrests are seemingly harsher because the stats show time and time again that right-wing extremism results in more violence and greater fatalities than left-wing violence which usually results more in property damage and civil disobedience.

It's easy to say the far left are a bigger threat than the far right, but the statistics do not agree with you.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Let's say you are right.

What would your thoughts be on the notion that the far right-wing arrests are seemingly harsher because the stats show time and time again that right-wing extremism results in more violence and greater fatalities than left-wing violence which usually results more in property damage and civil disobedience.

It's easy to say the far left are a bigger threat than the far right, but the statistics do not agree with you.

Are You harping on about America again?

Cause if we are talking civil disobesience I would sayvyou are totally forgetting, toxteth, tottingham twice, first one resulting in the beheading of a police officer, Brixton, black lives matter protest. The poll tax riots.


Against what? Southport!!

Behave yourself. It's not the 1970's anymore.

[Beso]

1 person arrested for every 55 thousand people on the right.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Wasn't he telling his mother to 'smack her'.

I thought he told her to 'back off' but tbf my Tablet doesn't have the best sound in the world.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I do agree with this, but I think you also need to consider that the far left are usually Antifa vandals who destroy property and petition to get people cancelled. Yes, there are violent far left of course, but the stats show time and time again that the majority of physical violence and the majority of extremist-led murder is by right-wing extremists.

But more than that, the far right hold actual positions of power far far more frequently and use their political agenda to make life worse for millions of people by enacting policies that put peoples lives at actual risk, open people up to discrimination and incite hatred for people simply existing.

Yes both exist but the threat level of each is not equal.

That's a fair point.

I do think that the Media are encouraging both sides to become more extreme though, and it has largely worked.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I wholly agree with all that you've said there.
I've now given up trying to reason on here but your posts are a very refreshing read in the context of the other more hate preaching and scapegoating prejudice of other human beings growing more and around issues.

You are a great contributor to this Forum Joey, and especially this section of the Forum imo.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Telling her repeatedly to smack the random brown woman they’d just chased down the street is him trying to calm her down?

I thought he told her to back off.

My bad.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

As is walking up to complete strangers and shouting, Nazi, fascist, pedo scum, racist...which came first? Which is retaliatory?

I agree with you personally.

But it still doesn't change the fact that the woman in question was probably terrified of a bunch of strange men coming up towards her and making sexual remarks towards her.

I just can't defend that behaviour personally.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

30 months in prison for chanting "who the ******* is Allah?"

Stuff like this doesn't help Starmer.

We have the Media constantly talking about violent criminals being released because of a 'lack of prison space' and then they get replaced with people like this.

It just makes Starmer and the country as a whole look pathetic that people can get arrested and sent to prison for saying this stuff.

The one that should be in Prison however was the one that wanted to assassinate Starmer, because that's a threat plus incitement arguably.