[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Their ideologies don’t align with mine.

Agreed.

Just validates the increased level of hatred aimed at a minority. More division. Just what we all need.

[Ammi]

…is it a declaration of independence/a new global organisation…?…the organisation/charity say that they formed in 2019/…6 years ago and became a registered charity in 2021…they’re a support group/organisation for LGB only is all …and an already established one, is my understanding…there are probably other similar organisations that are more directly and specifically focused, which is the way with many charities and organisations in many areas…

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Their ideologies don’t align with mine.

Interesting

[Livia]

I guess if a group set themselves aside and view themselves as different, sooner or later everyone's going to view them as being different too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
·
1h
I wonder what it is about a movement campaigning to allow men into protected
spaces for women and girls that might attract sexual predators. A mystery for
the ages.

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A trans activist in the United Kingdom is facing trial on charges related to the
sexual abuse of a young girl.

Kizzy Lavender Lee-Wimbridge is a former Operations Lead for Newbury
Pride, and spoke at Trans Day of Remembrance in Reading.



A trans-identified male residing in England has appeared in court accused of
sexually abusing a child. Kizzy Lavender Lee, birth name Samuel Wimbridge,
who is the former Operations Lead and Volunteers Coordinator for Newbury
Pride, has been charged with attempting to coerce a young girl into sexual
abuse and making indecent photographs of a child.

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-scotti...abuse-charges/

[The Slim Reaper]

You've won guys. I thought anti-trans panic was about protecting women? Trans people have been stripped of all rights so if you're continuing the pile on, then maybe those who said it was bigotry wrapped up behind the veneer of principles, might have been correct after all.

Once again, women are free to be murdered and abused by the men in their lives, without fear.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You've won guys. I thought anti-trans panic was about protecting women? Trans people have been stripped of all rights so if you're continuing the pile on, then maybe those who said it was bigotry wrapped up behind the veneer of principles, might have been correct after all.

Once again, women are free to be murdered and abused by the men in their lives, without fear.

What rights have they been strippped off? Telll me one thing this biological man can do that that one can't.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Beso

What rights have they been strippped off? Telll me one thing this biological man can do that that one can't.

Even the framing of the question...

Even I feel safer with dudes like you around, and I'm not even a woman.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You've won guys. I thought anti-trans panic was about protecting women? Trans people have been stripped of all rights so if you're continuing the pile on, then maybe those who said it was bigotry wrapped up behind the veneer of principles, might have been correct after all.

Once again, women are free to be murdered and abused by the men in their lives, without fear.

Yep it's about keeping men out of women's spaces what's your problem brother

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yep it's about keeping men out of women's spaces what's your problem brother

The answer is in the post you've quoted. If the aims were just to protect women from something that had already been happening for years without the need for protection, then that side won. However, if folks just keep piling on to trans people after "winning", then I think those that pointed out it was never really about protecting women from the start, might have had their point proven in 4k.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The answer is in the post you've quoted. If the aims were just to protect women from something that had already been happening for years without the need for protection, then that side won. However, if folks just keep piling on to trans people after "winning", then I think those that pointed out it was never really about protecting women from the start, might have had their point proven in 4k.

Nobody is piling on plenty transwomen have said they will ignore the ruling, as have some MPs, nobody has won anything, women are just trying to hang on to their rights

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody is piling on plenty transwomen have said they will ignore the ruling, as have some MPs, nobody has won anything, women are just trying to hang on to their rights

So what does victory look like if you don't believe you've already got what you wanted?

You've had it reinforced by government, so is the aim now to make sure that no trans women ever goes to the toilet? What about the butch looking women that are in increased danger from being attacked by the pretty girls and worried moms in women's spaces? Why does "protect women" not incorporate the women with shaved heads? Ironically, the only women who have faced increased danger is them, and it's not from trans people.

Not even a consideration.

Maybe "protect most women" is more accurate.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Agreed. I include all identities and want them all to be included

But the thing is, that statement in itself can be seen to be exclusionary to some... it really is like the Bible ... once we start to add a sense of doctrine in becoming a member of the group, there's going to be a battle over ideas... We have the Catholic church that has its doctrine... and then there are other people who come up with their own conclusions and interpretations to scripture that eventually split off from that, because even small differences in scripture (even specific verses) can make a huge difference in how the Bible is interpreted and obeyed... many settlers came to the US because of ideological differences, which allowed them the space and freedom to grow out without persecution... which is why religious freedoms were placed as a fundamental right in our Constitution.

The LGBT may not have a proper Bible, but it operates very closely to that of a religious movement, imo. If one member decides not to adhere to the principles applauded by the core group, they're considered out... so yes, while it's said to be "for inclusivity", the group has found a quite exclusive way to determine who is a member or not because there's a set framework for how members are meant to see themselves and others... It's just no one has put it to pen and paper yet.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So what does victory look like if you don't believe you've already got what you wanted?

You've had it reinforced by government, so is the aim now to make sure that no trans women ever goes to the toilet? What about the butch looking women that are in increased danger from being attacked by the pretty girls and worried moms in women's spaces? Why does "protect women" not incorporate the women with shaved heads? Ironically, the only women who have faced increased danger is them, and it's not from trans people.

Not even a consideration.

Maybe "protect most women" is more accurate.

Lets face it that is only in your head, I take it you are never in womens bathrooms?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Lets face it that is only in your head, I take it you are never in womens bathrooms?

Why would it need to be in my head? Anyone who has observed this attack on the human rights of a minority group from afar, will know all about the increased risk to butch looking women because of trans panic, but it's telling that it may have never occurred to folks attacking trans people.

Trans people are less of a threat to "real" women, than "real" women are to other "real" women.

I’m A Butch Woman & Feel Unsafe In Women’s Toilets Because Of Transphobes

https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/bat...ia-butch-women

I’ve been spat on’: gender non-conforming women tell of toilet abuse after UK’s supreme court ruling


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-court-ruling


Butch lesbian confronted ‘tens of times’ in public toilets as anti-trans hostility spills over

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/01/...cal-feminists/

[The Slim Reaper]

Woman says Boston hotel guard told her to leave bathroom because she ‘was a man’

Same-sex couple says they were appalled after being confronted and wrongfully accused in women’s restroom

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ame-sex-couple

The couple said that once Baker was being escorted out, other women in line hurled insults, calling her “a creep” and demanding she be removed. Security staff then allegedly asked both women to show their IDs to confirm their gender. After a heated exchange, they were told to leave the hotel.


"Mumsnet on tour, mumsnet on tour"

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why would it need to be in my head? Anyone who has observed this attack on the human rights of a minority group from afar, will know all about the increased risk to butch looking women because of trans panic, but it's telling that it may have never occurred to folks attacking trans people.

Trans people are less of a threat to "real" women, than "real" women are to other "real" women.

I’m A Butch Woman & Feel Unsafe In Women’s Toilets Because Of Transphobes

https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/bat...ia-butch-women

I’ve been spat on’: gender non-conforming women tell of toilet abuse after UK’s supreme court ruling


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-court-ruling


Butch lesbian confronted ‘tens of times’ in public toilets as anti-trans hostility spills over

https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/01/...cal-feminists/

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Woman says Boston hotel guard told her to leave bathroom because she ‘was a man’

Same-sex couple says they were appalled after being confronted and wrongfully accused in women’s restroom

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ame-sex-couple

The couple said that once Baker was being escorted out, other women in line hurled insults, calling her “a creep” and demanding she be removed. Security staff then allegedly asked both women to show their IDs to confirm their gender. After a heated exchange, they were told to leave the hotel.


"Mumsnet on tour, mumsnet on tour"

In your head, as a man you know nothing about womens bathrooms and they are a minor detail in the grand scheme of things but you stay foccused on them it says it all

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In your head, as a man you know nothing about womens bathrooms and they are a minor detail in the grand scheme of things but you stay foccused on them it says it all

Ahh, yes. The real and only victims of trans panic (apart from trans people) are little more than a minor detail. Cool. That's all I needed to see you write down.

Thank you for your honesty.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Ahh, yes. The real and only victims of trans panic (apart from trans people) are little more than a minor detail. Cool. That's all I needed to see you write down.

Thank you for your honesty.

The problem the trans community has is that its full of nothing more than men wearing wigs and that’s not me having a dig at the community it’s simply facts

Add to this the news coverage that the trans community gets when men in wigs attack women in what was before women only spaces you will get a very negative view of that community

And then it gets even worse when biological men claim to be real women which goes against medical facts
And those people get branded as nut jobs be we all know it’s physically impossible

I’m not threatened by the trans community but it has a lot of very angry people including some from the gay community who hate the very people they want acceptance from

I believe the world needs a reset because the human race is getting worse in every aspect

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The problem the trans community has is that its full of nothing more than men wearing wigs and that’s not me having a dig at the community it’s simply facts

That’s the least factual thing I’ve read on here in a while and that’s saying something.

It’s quite clear from the way you (and others) talk about trans people that you’ve never spent any length of time with them.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by BBXX

That’s the least factual thing I’ve read on here in a while and that’s saying something.

It’s quite clear from the way you (and others) talk about trans people that you’ve never spent any length of time with them.

As usual and to be expected we have a gay man trying to tell us that they know more than us without knowing us

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

As usual and to be expected we have a gay man trying to tell us that they know more than us without knowing us

My sexuality has nothing to do with it. You claimed the trans community is nothing but men wearing wigs and claimed it as fact. Regardless of your opinion on what spaces you think trans men and women should be able to access, your claim is objectively untrue.

Anyone who claims something as absurd as that either has no lived experience interacting with any trans person or is dumb as rocks. You choose which one applies to you.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

As usual and to be expected we have a gay man trying to tell us that they know more than us without knowing us

Just like a heterosexual trying to tell us that they more than us without knowing us.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Ahh, yes. The real and only victims of trans panic (apart from trans people) are little more than a minor detail. Cool. That's all I needed to see you write down.

Thank you for your honesty.

Thanks for your misunderstanding of my post

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The problem the trans community has is that its full of nothing more than men wearing wigs and that’s not me having a dig at the community it’s simply facts

Add to this the news coverage that the trans community gets when men in wigs attack women in what was before women only spaces you will get a very negative view of that community

And then it gets even worse when biological men claim to be real women which goes against medical facts
And those people get branded as nut jobs be we all know it’s physically impossible

I’m not threatened by the trans community but it has a lot of very angry people including some from the gay community who hate the very people they want acceptance from

I believe the world needs a reset because the human race is getting worse in every aspect

I'm not a gay man, so hopefully you won't use my sexuality in any reply you may or may not choose to make.

Nature is far more experimental than your extremely narrow minded post declares.

Trans people were just getting on with their lives up until around 2017ish, when everyone just decided that they were also now the enemy to go along with asylum seekers. I'd be pretty angry, too, if my existence was being used as punchlines on the podcasts and stand up shows of some of the most famous people on the planet.

How many is a lot?

Do you understand why making sweeping generalisations about people is really not a good way to make your point?