[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

There is no extreme in truth

Exactly. Which is why I do not understand why members get an infraction if they call Zelah a she! Facts are facts, truth is truth.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

Exactly. Which is why I do not understand why members get an infraction if they call Zelah a she! Facts are facts, truth is truth.

Why does it bother/affect you so much calling him a ‘he’? Genuinely I’d like to know.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Why does it bother/affect you so much calling him a ‘he’? Genuinely I’d like to know.

I like to deal in facts not BS. Why would it bother yourself or anyone else if I call someone a he or a she?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

I like to deal in facts not BS. Why would it bother yourself or anyone else if I call someone a he or a she?

Well it clearly irks you Zelah being a he, yet it doesn’t affect you at all.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Well it clearly irks you Zelah being a he, yet it doesn’t affect you at all.

I can't really reply as, with the lack of freedom of speech on here, I'll get an infraction.
Apart from saying I do not believe or recognise that she is a he I'll bow out of this convo.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

I can't really reply as, with the lack of freedom of speech on here, I'll get an infraction.
Apart from saying I do not believe or recognise that she is a he I'll bow out of this convo.

Fair enough, I’m not trying to bait you into an infraction/ban and won’t push you on this subject for that reason.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Fair enough, I’m not trying to bait you into an infraction/ban and won’t push you on this subject for that reason.

Top man.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Why does it bother/affect you so much calling him a ‘he’? Genuinely I’d like to know.

I think, and not speaking for anyone else here, that some people are just biological realists and to insist that they must conform their language to betray that is, to them, offensive.

It's like, for them, being made to say the sky is red, when you an see it's blue. It's a betrayal of what they know to be true and being made to parrot falsehoods is unacceptable.

Why is it ok to offend one and group in the protection of not offending another?

If someone believes a biological man is a man and should be called 'he' then that's as valid as insisting otherwise. No one's rights trump the others in this.

Does that make sense?

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Does that make sense?

Perfect sense.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I think, and not speaking for anyone else here, that some people are just biological realists and to insist that they must conform their language to betray that is, to them, offensive.

It's like, for them, being made to say the sky is red, when you an see it's blue. It's a betrayal of what they know to be true and being made to parrot falsehoods is unacceptable.

Why is it ok to offend one and group in the protection of not offending another?

If someone believes a biological man is a man and should be called 'he' then that's as valid as insisting otherwise. No one's rights trump the others in this.

Does that make sense?

Oh it makes sense, I just don’t get why people get so irked by it all to the point they go out of their way to then be offensive.

Examples on this forum with Zelah when people purposely overuse the word ‘she’ several times in every sentence they write about him to be offensive. If you don’t want to write ‘he’, just use Zelah’s name instead.

That wasn’t aimed at On The Right btw, I can’t say I’ve personally noticed him do that.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Oh it makes sense, I just don’t get why people get so irked by it all to the point they go out of their way to then be offensive.

I think they are just speaking in their true voice, not in an effort to be offense.

Others finding you offensive doesn't mean necessarily that you were trying to be. Speaking your won truth can indeed just be offensive to others, but that's on them not you.

In the end, no one can offend you, you can only choose to be offended, so I do think people need to control themselves on this all of this rather than reporting others for 'offensive' speech.

But, I do respect the forum rules on it whatever, which is why I use 'they' as a compromise. I don't mind really

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I think they are just speaking in their true voice, not in an effort to be offense.

Others finding you offensive doesn't mean necessarily that you were trying to be. Speaking your won truth can indeed just be offensive to others, but that's on them not you.

In the end, no one can offend you, you can only choose to be offended, so I do think people need to control themselves on this all of this rather than reporting others for 'offensive' speech.

But, I do respect the forum rules on it whatever, which is why I use 'they' as a compromise. I don't mind really

Oh some on here went out of their way to emphasis it several times in their posts (hence why James put out that reminder).

The pronouns thing doesn’t phase me, what does phase me is the use of homophobic slurs when describing certain housemates (mainly Sam and Zelah). Seems to be quite prominent this season compared to others.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Oh some on here went out of their way to emphasis it several times in their posts (hence why James put out that reminder).

In the end, it's not my forum so I will work according the the rules. I appreciate the work and time it takes to run a thing like this so not gonna kick off over it

Much respect to the admins and mods that make this happen

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

That wasn’t aimed at On The Right btw, I can’t say I’ve personally noticed him do that.

I have purposely used the name Zelah apart from in this little discussion.

Originally Posted by Benjamin

That wasn’t aimed at On The Right btw, I can’t say I’ve personally noticed him do that.

Appreciated.
BTW how do you know I'm a "HE"?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

I have purposely used the name Zelah apart from in this little discussion.


Appreciated.
BTW how do you know I'm a "HE"?

Because we’ve spoken before in previous seasons

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Because we’ve spoken before in previous seasons