[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Again you keep forgetting the percentages of each demograph that commit crime.

You mention partners, then say they are usually white straight men. Don't you realise how stupid that sounds? Like Muslim women are marrying white men all of a sudden.

Have a bloody word with yourself before running others down for ignorance

I'm not saying other ethnicities don't abuse their spouse, the conversation I was referring to was off the back of the mostly white free speech protest and how during an anti migrant protest earlier in the year 41% of those arrested were known to police for domestic abuse.

What I'm saying is that you are obsessed with talking about all other crimes from all other datasets aside from straight, white males and then you correlate the crime of each minority to their race, or gender identity, or sexuality. You do it all the time. Bye.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

The problem is they are not getting their appendages removed, just buying a pink phonecase and slapping on a bit off lippy in the majority of cases

Wonder if Sophie Sparkles has had the op

Why are you thinking about a strangers genitals in such depth lol.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Why are you thinking about a strangers genitals in such depth lol.

Jesus

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I'm not saying other ethnicities don't abuse their spouse, the conversation I was referring to was off the back of the mostly white free speech protest and how during an anti migrant protest earlier in the year 41% of those arrested were known to police for domestic abuse.

What I'm saying is that you are obsessed with talking about all other crimes from all other datasets aside from straight, white males and then you correlate the crime of each minority to their race, or gender identity, or sexuality. You do it all the time. Bye.

There's nothing to debate about that though, it's obvious white straight males cause the most harm, cause there are more of them than any other demograoh. Many many many more.

I'm glad you are away cause you just simply refuse to discuss which demograph, when narrowed down is actually the most dangerous.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Why are you thinking about a strangers genitals in such depth lol.

Er because I dont want Penises in female spaces, is that okay with you Mr Man?

its a shame that it has to be pointed out to you that male genitals can cause a great deal of distress for women when they are not welcome, I know you wont care because you are only concerned about yourself and your community but still...

and I can guarantee you Mr Sparkles is intact

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

Er because I dont want Penises in female spaces, is that okay with you Mr Man?

its a shame that it has to be pointed out to you that male genitals can cause a great deal of distress for women when they are not welcome, I know you wont care because you are only concerned about yourself and your community but still...

and I can guarantee you Mr Sparkles is intact

How often have YOU seen male genitals in a female space Cherie? Asking for a friend.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

How often have YOU seen male genitals in a female space Cherie? Asking for a friend.

Twice...

[Cherry Christmas]

What does that have to do with anything, how many times have you been raped? just because you haven't doesn't mean it doesn't happen...just a bizarre question

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

There's nothing to debate about that though, it's obvious white straight males cause the most harm, cause there are more of them than any other demograoh. Many many many more.

I'm glad you are away cause you just simply refuse to discuss which demograph, when narrowed down is actually the most dangerous.

When I said that you correlate the crime with the race or sexuality and gender identity apart from when it's straight white males this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Straight white males, in your opinion, cause the most harm because of... maths. Simply because of numbers. Just out of coincidence. Because there is more than any other demographic.

Apart from that isn't quite true. Because while straight white men make up 38% of the population and straight white women also make up 38% of the population.

So tell me, if it's just a numbers thing...why aren't straight white females causing harm on the same level?

You see, by ignoring a huge chunk of the perpetrators of sexual assault crimes, boiling it down to 'we know they do because numbers' you are leaving out a huge part of what should be the conversation. It's irresponsible. Just because we know something is happening, it doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it. In fact, we should talk about it more.

Instead what you insist on doing is focusing in on the gay men, the trans men, the asian men, because focusing in on the straight white men makes you feel uncomfortable.

But it's a man problem. It's not an asian problem, or a black problem, or a white problem, or a trans problem it's just a problem with men. And that includes white, straight men and so if we want to be honest about the safety of women and girls they also need to be part of the conversation, not a footnote.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

Twice...

lol ok

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

its a shame that it has to be pointed out to you that male genitals can cause a great deal of distress for women when they are not welcome, I know you wont care because you are only concerned about yourself and your community but still...

I don't need it pointing out to me, of course it can. I wouldn't want to see a vagina particularly, so I understand but do you think someone with gender dysphoria who hates their body will be helicoptering their way around a changing room or do you think they'll be getting changed in a cubicle? Jesus, most cis men get changed underneath a towel let alone trans women who for the reality for most is that they don't even want to look at their genitalia let alone have others see it.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

lol ok

You asked a question, I answered in good faith, you choose not to believe, no issue, that is on you, and shows exactly where you are on this discussion, you have outed yourself as not caring about women, both times it happened in a gym changing room I challenged them and they scuttled into a cubicle because that is what they are ....spineless and hoping to prey on the vulnerable .... bit like you really

[Christmas Dynasnow]

What percentage of men who are desperate to use women's spaces are AGP?
Is it below 95 percent or not

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I don't need it pointing out to me, of course it can. I wouldn't want to see a vagina particularly, so I understand but do you think someone with gender dysphoria who hates their body will be helicoptering their way around a changing room or do you think they'll be getting changed in a cubicle? Jesus, most cis men get changed underneath a towel let alone trans women who for the reality for most is that they don't even want to look at their genitalia let alone have others see it.

I answered your rather strange question where you tried to make me out as being a bit odd... what more can I do

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

You asked a question, I answered in good faith, you choose not to believe, no issue, that is on you, and shows exactly where you are on this discussion, you have outed yourself as not caring about women, both times it happened in a gym changing room I challenged them and they scuttled into a cubicle because that is what they are ....spineless and hoping to prey on the vulnerable .... bit like you really

No you’re right I don’t believe you.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

No you’re right I don’t believe you.

we really need that sure Jan gif now, I dont give a rats ass what you believe or dont believe, dont bother me again

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynasnow

Janet Murray
@jan_murray

Well done to @Trashalou for getting the police to remove this appalling “Arm trans kids” banner at today’s puberty-blocker trial protest.

I managed to capture the moment on video.

The message is disturbing at any time - but calling for vulnerable young people
to be given guns, just three days after 15 Jews were shot dead on Bondi Beach,
is beyond grotesque. No words.

Disturbing video is here: https://x.com/jan_murray/status/2001...364603524?s=20

Someone that wants to arm any child shouldn't be listened to on anything imo.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Any figures on child abuse Or sexual assault committed by trans people.

Tbf, every demographic of people has child abusers amongst them.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

we really need that sure Jan gif now, I dont give a rats ass what you believe or dont believe, dont bother me again

With pleasure. You just make sure you do the same

Utter bliss

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

Someone that wants to arm any child shouldn't be listened to on anything imo.

Or arm anyone for that matter like Livia wants to.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think a lot of the time with 'trans crime' men only identify as trans to get put in women's prisons instead of mens, so it distorts the stats somewhat. Iirc 'transwomen' are actually overrepresented when it comes to sexual crimes but again I think this comes down to men playing the system.

I do agree with this.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

When I said that you correlate the crime with the race or sexuality and gender identity apart from when it's straight white males this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Straight white males, in your opinion, cause the most harm because of... maths. Simply because of numbers. Just out of coincidence. Because there is more than any other demographic.

Apart from that isn't quite true. Because while straight white men make up 38% of the population and straight white women also make up 38% of the population.

So tell me, if it's just a numbers thing...why aren't straight white females causing harm on the same level?

You see, by ignoring a huge chunk of the perpetrators of sexual assault crimes, boiling it down to 'we know they do because numbers' you are leaving out a huge part of what should be the conversation. It's irresponsible. Just because we know something is happening, it doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about it. In fact, we should talk about it more.

Instead what you insist on doing is focusing in on the gay men, the trans men, the asian men, because focusing in on the straight white men makes you feel uncomfortable.

But it's a man problem. It's not an asian problem, or a black problem, or a white problem, or a trans problem it's just a problem with men. And that includes white, straight men and so if we want to be honest about the safety of women and girls they also need to be part of the conversation, not a footnote.

Nothing makes me uncomfortable.

[Good King Glennceslas]

I’d say the only thing you commented from that post is the only thing that touched a nerve

[The Grinch]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

Er because I dont want Penises in female spaces, is that okay with you Mr Man?

its a shame that it has to be pointed out to you that male genitals can cause a great deal of distress for women when they are not welcome, I know you wont care because you are only concerned about yourself and your community but still...

and I can guarantee you Mr Sparkles is intact

What if the trans woman had a vagina? Or is it just the ones who aren’t fully op? Genuine question?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

Is it transphobic?

Short answer. Yes, many people reasonably see it as transphobic.

Here is why.

• It mocks the phrase “I identify as,” which is closely tied to trans people’s real lives.
• It frames gender identity as a joke or costume you can pick for laughs.
• That joke feeds a common anti trans talking point used to dismiss trans people entirely.
• You do not need to mention trans people directly to target them. Dog whistles still whistle.

Here is the counter argument.

• Some people read it as harmless wordplay about a fictional character.
• They say it pokes fun at language, not at people.
• Intent may not have been malicious.

The problem.

• Impact matters more than intent.
• Trans people already face hostility, ridicule, and disbelief.
• This kind of joke lands in that same pile, whether you mean it or not.

Bottom line.

• If a joke relies on undermining a marginalised group’s identity, it is not neutral.
• You can call it satire if you like. It still punches down.
• Christmas cards should spread cheer, not culture war bait.

If you have to explain why a joke is not transphobic, the joke has already failed.

I strongly disagree with this.

And punching down is a term that shouldn't exist when it comes to Comedy imo.

In my view if the person can't take a joke then they're the problem, and they do need to grow a thicker skin.

Btw I'm not saying that people have to like a particular joke either, but maybe just don't try to get it banned or censored would be nice personally would be my advice to these people.

And to go back to the punching down point - if someone can make a joke about (to follow in line with the thread) non-Trans people but non-Trans people can't make jokes about Trans people isn't the punching down really happening to the non-Trans people? Because they can be joked about but aren't supposed to dish it back out.

Plus I wouldn't say "many" will see the Christmas Card as Transphobic, the grand majority will see the decision to ban it as absurd would be my guess.