[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

If this discussion was about two grown adults arguing and one of them hit the other as a way to get their point across, most people would be - quite rightly - telling them to leave that partner.

This conversation is about an adult and a child, who is dependant on said adult, and the arguments are "well it depends how hard" or "it will stop them misbehaving again"

This really. It’s not that hard to grasp.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

If disruptive behaviour did not exist, why were kids being caned?

It was on a minor level compared to today’s behaviour


I was caned for accidentally breaking a window playing football in the yard …

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It was on a minor level compared to today’s behaviour

But did exist though

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

But did exist though

Why are you being so obtuse ?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Why are you being so obtuse ?

I am not being obtuse. You are being selective.

You said disruptive behaviour did not exist. Then you described kids being caned. That means it did exist. You just do not like what that implies.

This is not me missing the point. This is you contradicting yourself and getting annoyed when it is pointed out.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I am not being obtuse. You are being selective.

You said disruptive behaviour did not exist. Then you described kids being caned. That means it did exist. You just do not like what that implies.

This is not me missing the point. This is you contradicting yourself and getting annoyed when it is pointed out.

There are levels of poor , disruptive behaviour

It’s really not that complicated

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

There are levels of poor , disruptive behaviour

It’s really not that complicated

It really is that simple. And you still missed it.

You said it did not exist. Now it exists but on levels. That is just moving the goalposts because the story fell apart.

If kids were being caned, behaviour existed. You just tolerated adults hitting them more back then.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It really is that simple. And you still missed it.

You said it did not exist. Now it exists but on levels. That is just moving the goalposts because the story fell apart.

If kids were being caned, behaviour existed. You just tolerated adults hitting them more back then.

So maybe I omitted the point about the levels of behaviour… so what .. I corrected myself afterwards.. I was thinking more about the details and punishments

You just go looking for minor faults or mistakes then refuse to move on ..


It makes it impossible to discuss anything sensibly

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

So maybe I omitted the point about the levels of behaviour… so what .. I corrected myself afterwards.. I was thinking more about the details and punishments

You just go looking for minor faults or mistakes then refuse to move on ..


It makes it impossible to discuss anything sensibly

No. I am not nitpicking. I am pointing out that your whole argument keeps changing.

First it did not exist. Then it existed but less. Then it existed and deserved caning. That is not clarification. That is backtracking.

You do not want a discussion. You want everyone to nod while you rewrite your point in real time.

What sensible discussion did you have in mind when your input is beating kids?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well back in my day we were caned across your hand or fingers or you got a slipper across the backside for bad behaviour and whacked across the head or back with thick books if you weren’t concentrating ..

Now I was a model pupil and I still managed to get caned on two separate occasions and hit by books ..

They even threw wooden board dusters across the room at us ..

Thing is it worked .. the behaviour was always impeccable .. I went to a grammar school but I assume things were the same in the other secondary schools


The poor // disruptive behaviour we see across the board nowadays were just not a thing in the bad old days

The thing is you’re comparing it to your day and insinuating the only thing that is different between the two times is adults not being able to hit, cane and throw things at children. It’s not. So who is the say the difference in behaviour is a result of that? How do you know?

Children growing up in the 60s did not grow up the same as in 2020s and parenting, outside of physical punishment, was also not the same. Home life, social life, societal expectations and pressures were also vastly different.

I was a child a good 25-30 years ago and I was treated as a child - I came secondary to adult conversation - if I had a question I had to wait until the adults stopped speaking - I had to compromise on things I wanted to do, Weekends were spent following my parents round as they ran errands, etc…

Nowadays I see a very different side to parenthood. Kids are the priority when it comes to conversation, life bends around kids parties and kids activities and kids wants instead of the other way around, and parents are often in big competition with one another, albeit secretly.

Kids are raised very differently now to even when I was a child, let alone when you were. I think personally this has a much bigger contributing factor to how a child behaves as opposed to whether their teacher throws something at them or not.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The thing is you’re comparing it to your day and insinuating the only thing that is different between the two times is adults not being able to hit, cane and throw things at children. It’s not. So who is the say the difference in behaviour is a result of that? How do you know?

Children growing up in the 60s did not grow up the same as in 2020s and parenting, outside of physical punishment, was also not the same. Home life, social life, societal expectations and pressures were also vastly different.

I was a child a good 25-30 years ago and I was treated as a child - I came secondary to adult conversation - if I had a question I had to wait until the adults stopped speaking - I had to compromise on things I wanted to do, Weekends were spent following my parents round as they ran errands, etc…

Nowadays I see a very different side to parenthood. Kids are the priority when it comes to conversation, life bends around kids parties and kids activities and kids wants instead of the other way around, and parents are often in big competition with one another, albeit secretly.

Kids are raised very differently now to even when I was a child, let alone when you were. I think personally this has a much bigger contributing factor to how a child behaves as opposed to whether their teacher throws something at them or not.

You make some very fair and indeed interesting points.


I will accept that we are living in different times .. for one thing , back in the day we all had two parents at home as opposed to the majority seemingly being raised by just a single mum ..

[Livia]

I used to think I had the answers before I had kids. Now it amuses me to see people with no kids pontificate about sh1t they know nothing about like I once did.

[Glenn.]

People do not need to reproduce to know that hitting children is vile and stupid.

[BBXX]

Acknowledging children are raised differently on the whole to how they were raised 20, 30 or 40+ years ago doesn’t need children to see. It’s a fact.

I didn’t make any opinion on parents being wrong, just that that is often the way it is nowadays. I would no doubt be the same if I was a parent because that’s what societal norms are now. I’m not suggesting these are bad parents, I’m just saying kids are given a bigger influence on daily life than they used to be and perhaps that’s more a contributing factor in an increase in children misbehaving over the looming threat a parent might slap you.

People without kids do have the ability to understand human behaviour. We were also children.

[Niamh.]

Deleted a lot of posts in here, I'll banning people from the thread from now on if you can't stick to the topic and can't stop getting personal with each other