[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

What I am saying is that they're not committing crimes because of their immigration status or because of where they originated from, like so many like to try and make out, but because of the situation they live in, situations created by our own policies. It's a reason for improving asylum policies, not a reason to ban them from entering the country.




Give us better facilities and we will stop taking your girls.....Sorry, but that's not how it works.

That's not what I'm saying. If you have to misrepresent the argument, you have lost. Bye.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

That's not what I'm saying. If you have to misrepresent the argument, you have lost. Bye.

So a free roof, and free food with a little on top for treats, and no stress for paying bills, is not enough, so to show their gratitude they turn to crime...blaming poverty and community shunning...?

Is that what you're saying.......if it is, you've forgotten these men have access to their own personal funds, and can often be seeen in Gucci, puffing large cannabis joints in the parks surrounding their housing.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

This is the part that always bemuses me

People quoting themselves to re-emphasise their point bemuses you. It doesn’t take that much.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

So a free roof, and free food with a little on top for treats, and no stress for paying bills, is not enough, so to show their gratitude they turn to crime...blaming poverty and community shunning...?

If you're having trouble understanding crime statistics and how societal issues affect it, regardless of nationality or immigration status, then perhaps do some further reading. I'm not here to pander to your lack of knowledge.

Your second point is just dense. Not all asylum seekers own gucci bags and not all asylum seekers commit crime, so unless you have a Venn diagram that shows a circle, your point is moot. Once again you're treating them all the same.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Parmy

So a free roof, and free food with a little on top for treats, and no stress for paying bills, is not enough, so to show their gratitude they turn to crime...blaming poverty and community shunning...?

Is that what you're saying.......if it is, you've forgotten these men have access to their own personal funds, and can often be seeen in Gucci, puffing large cannabis joints in the parks surrounding their housing.

You're wasting your time Parm. They just don't get it, it's waaay over their head.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

If you're having trouble understanding crime statistics and how societal issues affect it, regardless of nationality or immigration status, then perhaps do some further reading. I'm not here to pander to your lack of knowledge.

Your second point is just dense. Not all asylum seekers own gucci bags and not all asylum seekers commit crime, so unless you have a Venn diagram that shows a circle, your point is moot. Once again you're treating them all the same.

They could all afford the price of a boat trip though, yeah? From the safe haven of France.....

Are we now to believe they would spend the last of what they had to flee the safety of France for a life of crime in Britain...nah...sorrry...you aint right this time budddy...you yourself are cherry picking UK statistics and applying them to illligal immigrants.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Parmy

They could all afford the price of a boat trip though, yeah? From the safe haven of France.....


Or are we now to believe they would spend the last if what they had to flee the safety of France for a l7fe of crime in Britain...nah...sorrry...you aint right this time budddy...you yourself are cherry picking UK statistics and applying them to illligal immigrants.

He's called you stupid twice because your opinion differs. Seems form rules don't apply to him.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

...you yourself are cherry picking UK statistics and applying them to illligal immigrants.

No, no I'm not.

Home Office and academic studies:
A 2019 UK study (Home Office Research Report 103) found no clear link between asylum seekers and overall crime rates.

Crime rates among immigrants are generally similar to or lower than the native-born population when controlled for age, gender, and socioeconomic status.

A recent University of Bath (UK) and York University (Canada) study examined crime and violent crime across countries with varying refugee intakes:
The study found no evidence that higher levels of refugees per population cause increases in violent crime.

In fact, countries with more progressive asylum policies did not have higher levels of violent crime than those with more restrictive policies

A 2018 study of 22 EU countries (Dumont & Liebig, OECD/European Migration Network) found that immigrants and refugees are not more likely to commit crime than locals when adjusted for poverty, unemployment, and social exclusion.

A large‑scale study published in 2025 by the Ifo Institute in Germany analysed police data from 2018–2023 and found:
No correlation between a higher proportion of foreigners (including refugees) in a district and its overall crime rate.
The researchers noted that migrants — like many people in other population groups — tend to live in urban areas, which already have higher crime rates overall, making it look like migrants are over‑represented when they are simply living where crime tends to be higher for all residents

Independent summaries by migration research networks and academic blogs conclude:
Long‑term, large‑cross‑national studies do not find a strong statistical relationship between immigration and overall crime.

Sometimes localized studies show specific correlations (e.g., property crime in isolated contexts), but these are usually explained by socio‑economic factors like poverty, lack of work, limited integration, discrimination, and settlement patterns, not by migration status per se.

US and Canada comparisons: Immigrant populations, including refugees, often have lower crime rates than native-born populations, especially for serious violent crime.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's called you stupid twice because your opinion differs. Seems form rules don't apply to him.

I called him stupid because he is either deliberately misrepresenting what I have written or doesn't understand it, not because he holds a different opinion.

You have also just called me stupid, which is fine for you to think. I don't care.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's called you stupid twice because your opinion differs. Seems form rules don't apply to him.

It will be why he and Glenn get along

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

No, no I'm not.

Home Office and academic studies:
A 2019 UK study (Home Office Research Report 103) found no clear link between asylum seekers and overall crime rates.

Crime rates among immigrants are generally similar to or lower than the native-born population when controlled for age, gender, and socioeconomic status.

A recent University of Bath (UK) and York University (Canada) study examined crime and violent crime across countries with varying refugee intakes:
The study found no evidence that higher levels of refugees per population cause increases in violent crime.

In fact, countries with more progressive asylum policies did not have higher levels of violent crime than those with more restrictive policies

A 2018 study of 22 EU countries (Dumont & Liebig, OECD/European Migration Network) found that immigrants and refugees are not more likely to commit crime than locals when adjusted for poverty, unemployment, and social exclusion.

A large‑scale study published in 2025 by the Ifo Institute in Germany analysed police data from 2018–2023 and found:
No correlation between a higher proportion of foreigners (including refugees) in a district and its overall crime rate.
The researchers noted that migrants — like many people in other population groups — tend to live in urban areas, which already have higher crime rates overall, making it look like migrants are over‑represented when they are simply living where crime tends to be higher for all residents

Independent summaries by migration research networks and academic blogs conclude:
Long‑term, large‑cross‑national studies do not find a strong statistical relationship between immigration and overall crime.

Sometimes localized studies show specific correlations (e.g., property crime in isolated contexts), but these are usually explained by socio‑economic factors like poverty, lack of work, limited integration, discrimination, and settlement patterns, not by migration status per se.

US and Canada comparisons: Immigrant populations, including refugees, often have lower crime rates than native-born populations, especially for serious violent crime.

Stats from 2018 and 2019 don't count nowadays..we have a backlog of unreported crimes over the past 3 years which are only now being reported on as the perpetrators are appearing in court for sentencing...


And your 2025, German report means diddly squat here in Britain..


Sorry...it don't mean ****...today.....it also does not mention illligal immigrants, who's presence here is in itself a crime..it only mentions immigrants.


So to summarise....You are cherry picking old stats for migrants and applying it to today's illligal immigrants.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

So to summarise....You are cherry picking old stats for migrants and applying it to today's illligal migrants.

I've presented you with the stats we have and am using them to form my opinion rather than... erm... a man on YouTube or GB News.

Learn what cherry picking means.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I've presented you with the stats we have and is using them to form my opinion rather than... erm... a man on YouTube or GB News.

Learn why cherry picking means.

You seem to forget everything I saying has been captured by camera, it's not a narrative by gb news..it's facts, facts aired on video...the joints, the Gucci, the bank accounts...all from words from the mouths of illigal immigrants themselves.....cameras invited into the new builds, invited in by the occupiers...all documented by cameras who can't lie.


Yours, is dated words, which today, are not worth the piece if paper they are written on.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

You seem to forget everything I saying has been captured by camera, it's not a narrative by gb news..it's facts, facts aired on video...the joints, the Gucci, the bank accounts...all from words from the mouths of illigal immigrants themselves.....cameras invited into the new builds, invited in by the occupiers...all documented by cameras who can't lie.

Yours, is dated words, which today, are not worth the piece if paper they are written on.

Viewing isolated incidents on video and extrapolating it to 'hundreds of thousands of people' is poor form, but a tactic you use over and over as a form of confirmation bias. Sees an example that backs up your opinion and uses it as a benchmark for what's normal. Sorry but that is weak.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Viewing isolated incidents on video and extrapolating it to 'hundreds of thousands of people' is poor form, but a tactic you use over and over as a form of confirmation bias. Sees an example that backs up your opinion and uses it as a benchmark for what's normal. Sorry but that is weak.

To not see anything on video, and to just use an out dated bit of paper as conformational bias for your opinion is strong I suppose!



It's you throwing about statistics, and reasons for why they commit crime...not me....I'm showing you why your 4easons don't add up..

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

To not see anything on video, and to just use an out dated bit of paper as conformational bias for your opinion is strong I suppose!



It's you throwing about statistics, and reasons for why they commit crime...not me....I'm showing you why your 4easons don't add up..

Looking at evidence based reports isn't confirmation bias. I'm not denying that some asylum seekers have money. I'm not denying some live comfortably. I'm not rejecting what is shown on video. I'm saying one thing being true doesn't stop the other also being true.

You, however, are denying reports both recent and historical reports that have studied data from dozens of countries, through multiple researchers, to form factual statistics because it doesn't match your own opinion or what a man with a cam saw on his day trips.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Looking at evidence based reports isn't confirmation bias. I'm not denying that some asylum seekers have money. I'm not denying some live comfortably. I'm not rejecting what is shown on video. I'm saying one thing being true doesn't stop the other also being true.

You, however, are denying reports both recent and historical reports that have studied data from dozens of countries, through multiple researchers, to form factual statistics because it doesn't match your own opinion or what a man with a cam saw on his day trips.

What about illigal immigrants...You know, the ones who entered illegally(That crime doesn't show up on your bit of paper) the ones being fed and sheltered as my asylum seeking friend is sent home to face Putin's wrath...


It's them I'm discussing...not the asylum seekers you leeep comparing these illigals to..your stats a skewed cause they don't apply the crime of entering the uk illigally

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I called him stupid because he is either deliberately misrepresenting what I have written or doesn't understand it, not because he holds a different opinion.

You have also just called me stupid, which is fine for you to think. I don't care.

The arrogance and lack of self awareness is through the floor and into the bedrock.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

[/B]
I dont decide anything, I am just offering an opinion, these are government decisions, the government needs to get its act together and sort it out, if World War 3 broke out tomorrow, do you think boatloads of unvetted men would be rocking up on our shores....no they wouldn't

But that’s kind of the point, they’re only unvetted because the government refuses to create proper routes to vet them. You can’t shut every legal door and then act surprised when people turn up on boats.

And if WW3 broke out tomorrow, yes, loads of men would be fleeing. That’s what always happens in wars. Ukrainians included.

Also let’s be real, plenty of so-called patriots here would be on the first flight out too. Most people don’t want to die for a flag when it actually comes down to it.

The issue isn’t people running from danger, it’s the UK leaving them in limbo with no work, no support and no plan. That’s what creates the problems.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

What about illigal immigrants...You know, the ones who entered illegally(That crime doesn't show up on your bit of paper) the ones being fed and sheltered as my asylum seeking friend is sent home to face Putin's wrath...


It's them I'm discussing...not the asylum seekers you leeep comparing these illigals to..your stats a skewed cause they don't apply the crime of entering the uk illigally

Up to 95% of those who enter the country illegally, such as across the channel, claim asylum.

Between January 2018 and mid-2025, there were roughly 168,000 small boat arrivals recorded. Of those, about 159,000 lodged asylum claims. So they are counted in general crime stats. Does that make you reconsider your stance?

However no, while their crime of entering the country illegally doesn't show up on crime stats, any subsequent crime does. Why do we care about the crime of entering the country illegally if they are a good resident while here? Seriously, what does it matter? Your friend, while he faced a horrific situation, had the benefit of being given special legal routes directly and swiftly into the country for his safety. If that hadn't been in place, he could have easily been someone trying to get into this country 'illegally' but why would you care when he's contributed positively since arrival? You wouldn't.

Anyway the entire conversation has been about safety and violence and now it's been shown asylum seekers make no negligible difference it's shifting to the crime of existing in the country they fled to?? Very convenient.

[Parmy]

Why do we care about the crime of entering the country illegally if they are a good resident while here?




Money.....my money.

[Parmy]

The crime of working illigally, keeping what you want for yourself paying no tax......shown to be happening by these men with camera people poo poo....picked up by channel 4, using said camera man's footage......suddenly police interested in uber delivery drivers....

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Why do we care about the crime of entering the country illegally if they are a good resident while here?

Money.....my money.

Yes, I thought so. All this division because of 50p a week.

What a sad world we live in.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Parmy

A quick question....




Out of the hundreds and hundreds of thousands immigrants in the last 6 years.....where are alll the single no kids, females looking for a safer home?

Where are there ANY females or kids more like


Every photo we see on a daily/weekly basis shows boat fulls of young , healthy , strong looking young men …

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

The crime of working illigally, keeping what you want for yourself paying no tax......shown to be happening by these men with camera people poo poo....picked up by channel 4, using said camera man's footage......suddenly police interested in uber delivery drivers....

This is a policy issue, they cannot work when they arrive. If this was changed, they would work and they would contribute tax.