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Parmy · 23-01-2026, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

Why indeed

But YouTube and the camera don't lie for news is a bad thing....

Glenn. · 23-01-2026, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Parmy

That's answered simply....

We also have our own criminals, so why on earth would we guarantee that the number increases instead of decreases. That is a government doing nothing but increase its populations chances of being attacked or robbed when it should be doing everything to bring thise stats down.

Heaping more and more on benefits makes no financial sense. So why in earth should the already heavily burdened working population be forced to shell out more or see underfunded facilities like the nhs have to wave bye bye to those much needed funds as it gently floats into those grasping foreign hands.

It's crazy to guarantee this happens by facilitating this boat nonsense.

If you actually cared about crime, money and pressure on services, you’d want the exact opposite of what’s happening now. Process people quicker, let them work, let them pay tax, let them get on with their lives.

Keeping thousands of people stuck doing nothing, banned from working and living in limbo is what creates problems. That’s how you manufacture an underclass.

The chaos isn’t caused by immigrants. It’s caused by a broken system that seems determined to make everything harder, more expensive and more dysfunctional for everyone.

Parmy · 23-01-2026, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BBXX

Hey, I helped pay for people like your friend as well!

I really have no bother in paying for people who need assistance. If that means you think I am a doormat, so be it, your opinion of me means nothing.

No...my friend paid his own and his families way himself. By working and paying tax. His money probably helped you more than yours did him.

BBXX · 23-01-2026, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Parmy

Is that the boat figures or people seeking asylum.

Those figures are for all asylum seekers, sorry. Boat crossings it's more like 10-15% as previously stated.

BBXX · 23-01-2026, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Parmy

No...my friend paid his own and his families way himself. By working and paying tax. His money probably helped you more than yours did him.

I said like your friend, not your friend specifically. Ukrainians who did were work were able to collect the same sort of benefits as UK citizens.

Parmy · 23-01-2026, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BBXX

I said like your friend, not your friend specifically. Ukrainians who did were work were able to collect the same sort of benefits as UK citizens.

They are nothing like my friend then. Apart from being foreign..

Parmy · 23-01-2026, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

If you actually cared about crime, money and pressure on services, you’d want the exact opposite of what’s happening now. Process people quicker, let them work, let them pay tax, let them get on with their lives.

Keeping thousands of people stuck doing nothing, banned from working and living in limbo is what creates problems. That’s how you manufacture an underclass.

The chaos isn’t caused by immigrants. It’s caused by a broken system that seems determined to make everything harder, more expensive and more dysfunctional for everyone.

No...let's not let them.

Them getting all this cash and heating for free, all the food and all the pity has a knock on effect on young working age poor people. They see that and think why should I work..

You stop the boats and send the ones here packing, then the rot stops.

BBXX · 23-01-2026, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Parmy

They are nothing like my friend then. Apart from being foreign..

Ukrainians who did or did not work all could benefit from multiple government funded opportunities - child benefit, pension credit, there were grants to help with housing support, monthly payments to UK residents who housed them.... all of these state funded and none of which I have an issue with paying for... if that makes me a doormat so be it.

Zizu · 23-01-2026, 04:25 PM

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BBXX · 23-01-2026, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Fair point .. but we can only form opinions on photos that we are shown ..

Or educating yourself with actual data before forming an opinion. That's also an option.

"No women cross the channel because the TV doesn't show pictures of them" is weak thinking. You've lived, what like 5 or 6 decades and you still haven't realised not to believe everything the television shows you? C'mon man.

Zizu · 23-01-2026, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BBXX

Or educating yourself with actual data before forming an opinion. That's also an option.

"No women cross the channel because the TV doesn't show pictures of them" is weak thinking. You've lived, what like 5 or 6 decades and you still haven't realised not to believe everything the television shows you? C'mon man.

We can’t form opinions on things or photos or footage that isn’t shown to us ..

As I see it all these thousands of illegals are just a drain on our resources - we were struggling before they all started ‘drifting in’

Also the notion that the vast majority of these illegals are men of fighting age is also a concern given that they’re unlikely to fight on our behalf if we are attacked further down the line

BBXX · 23-01-2026, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

We can’t form opinions on things or photos or footage that isn’t shown to us ..

Why do you need a visual aid. You're not a child. Why can't you research if what the news is showing you is reflected in data. I have done that, so have others. If you're only going to take photos from limited sources as evidence, prepare for your opinion to be potentially incorrect, flawed or one-sided.

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As I see it all these thousands of illegals are just a drain on our resources - we were struggling before they all started ‘drifting in’

We don't get to decide who is a drain on our resources and who isn't. Humans are humans. The funding for asylum seekers costs the average UK taxpayer about £1.60 per person per month. That's about 5x LESS than it costs the average UK tax payer to fund prisons.

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Also the notion that the vast majority of these illegals are men of fighting age is also a concern given that they’re unlikely to fight on our behalf if we are attacked further down the line

I don't understand why it's a concern. Why are we always describing these men as 'fighting age'.

Anyway, around half of the male population (UK citizens) said they would not be willing to fight for this country if we went to war, so it will be a lot of us heading for the shores to seek asylum if the worst was to happen.

Read this: https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/con...y-of-refugees/

Glenn. · 23-01-2026, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Parmy

No...let's not let them.

Them getting all this cash and heating for free, all the food and all the pity has a knock on effect on young working age poor people. They see that and think why should I work..

You stop the boats and send the ones here packing, then the rot stops.

People aren’t quitting work because someone else gets basic food and heating. That’s just not real life. Most people want a job, money, and some independence, not to be stuck in a hotel with nothing to do.

Parmy · 23-01-2026, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

People aren’t quitting work because someone else gets basic food and heating. That’s just not real life. Most people want a job, money, and some independence, not to be stuck in a hotel with nothing to do.

It's the real mind. Something you can't grasp. Loads of young people would happily sit in a room on their PlayStation whilst mum brings food. Do you not think that excuse has been uttered from their lips to their servant mum.

Parmy · 23-01-2026, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BBXX

Ukrainians who did or did not work all could benefit from multiple government funded opportunities - child benefit, pension credit, there were grants to help with housing support, monthly payments to UK residents who housed them.... all of these state funded and none of which I have an issue with paying for... if that makes me a doormat so be it.

I have an issue paying for someone who's only taken someone in for the payouts. Opens up avenues to slave Labour that one.

Glenn. · 23-01-2026, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Parmy

It's the real mind. Something you can't grasp. Loads of young people would happily sit in a room on their PlayStation whilst mum brings food. Do you not think that excuse has been uttered from their lips to their servant mum.

That’s not the same thing at all. Sitting in your mum’s house playing PlayStation isn’t the same as being stuck in a foreign country with no job, no money, no freedom and no future.

Most people don’t want to live like that. They want to earn, have their own place, some independence and a life. Being forced to sit around doing nothing isn’t a dream scenario, it’s depressing.

If anything, the only reason people end up idle is because the system forces them to be. Let them work and the problem disappears pretty quickly.

Parmy · 23-01-2026, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

That’s not the same thing at all. Sitting in your mum’s house playing PlayStation isn’t the same as being stuck in a foreign country with no job, no money, no freedom and no future.

Most people don’t want to live like that. They want to earn, have their own place, some independence and a life. Being forced to sit around doing nothing isn’t a dream scenario, it’s depressing.

If anything, the only reason people end up idle is because the system forces them to be. Let them work and the problem disappears pretty quickly.

Your dreamy mind makes it sound so easy.

Come into the real world, Glenn.

They want our benefits.

Glenn. · 23-01-2026, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Parmy

Your dreamy mind makes it sound so easy.

Come into the real world, Glenn.

This is the real world. In the real world, most people don’t want to sit around doing nothing with no money, no job and no control over their own life.

What’s dreamy is pretending humans are happier stuck in limbo than actually working and living normally.

Parmy · 23-01-2026, 07:47 PM

I've posted videos of illigal migrants laughing as they say britain years ago took over their land, so now its time we took from them..We can't take their land, but we can take their free money.

Parmy · 23-01-2026, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

This is the real world. In the real world, most people don’t want to sit around doing nothing with no money, no job and no control over their own life.

What’s dreamy is pretending humans are happier stuck in limbo than actually working and living normally.

You missed my edit...please delete the quote part.

Glenn. · 23-01-2026, 07:50 PM

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You missed my edit...please delete the quote part.

It makes no difference to my post. The bit you added as an after thought is purely your own bias which is irrelevant to the discussion.

BBXX · 23-01-2026, 08:03 PM

I think the thing is, there seems to be this pretence that people on benefits - asylum seekers or not - are living this lavish lifestyle. Which isn’t true. Yes, benefits might allow you to survive, but you’re certainly not living comfortably. Some people are fine with this but most people won’t be.