[arista]

[arista]

[A glum-looking Labour deputy leader Lucy Powell
is pictured watching on as votes are counted
in the Gorton and Denton by-election]

[arista]

Pathetic Labour came 3rd



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...attled-PM.html

[Oliver_W]

I thought the results would be tighter than that, I was nearly certain it would be Green-Reform-Labour, but I didn't think Reform would be closer to Labour numberswise than Green.

[joeysteele]

This is what the centre, centre left and left need to do.
To more get behind who can beat Reform.

Labour were never going to win this even moreso after the Andy Burnham farce.

I don't like Polanski at all but far better a Green Party win than a Reform one.
Who knows, maybe the old order is going to change big time now.
With Labour thought to be more failing than not.
Plus Badenoch just making the Conservatives more and more irrelevant.

The vast majority of younger and new voters, well it appears they support mostly the Greens and then Labour.
Rejecting the hate fuelling scapegoating of Reform.
This result if it shows anything, as to one thing, shows how to stop Reform.
Ensuring voting for who can beat beat Reform.
I can get behind that definitely.

[bots]

By-elections are always a protest vote, all we know is that labour are currently out of favour. As to Burnham, i think it would have been an even bigger defeat if he had participated

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by bots

By-elections are always a protest vote, all we know is that labour are currently out of favour. As to Burnham, i think it would have been an even bigger defeat if he had participated

Why do you think that?

Im not a Burnham fan by any means (i think hes a media *****) but he is pretty universally liked here

[MTVN]

Worst case scenario for Labour really as they're now haemorrhaging votes to both the Left and Right. I've never believed in electoral reform but it might be inevitable now that two party politics seems dead

As for family voting well yeah.. we all know what's going on there. Rich for Labour to complain though as they've always been a shoe-in in high proportion Islamic areas until now

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Why do you think that?

Im not a Burnham fan by any means (i think hes a media *****) but he is pretty universally liked here

I agree.
I actually do like him a lot, I know you have reservations on him Annie.

I think he'd have much more than likely come through to win this.
I think preventing him standing only helped to lose this by-election.

The turnout too was quite high, 47% in relation to only 59% voting in the 2024 general election across the Nation.
That was rather high in a by- election really.
In fact it was under 49% in the general election in this seat.

Well done to the Greens, Labour voters did switch too,to help beat Reform.
However I'm smiling this morning because there's NOT another awful hate fuelling Reform MP going to parliament.
Reform must have thought Matt Goodwin would walk this.
I'm overjoyed he didn't.

[Parmy]

Oh the joys of Muslim sectarianism.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Oh the joys of Muslim sectarianism.

That's probably what really won it - pandering to Palestine, having Spencer cover her hair and lick the floor in a mosque ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wow huge loss for Labour

[arista]

The Greens now have 5 MP's

[Crimson Dynamo]

In this by-election campaign just ended, Labour proved unwilling or unable to expose the fragility and the contradictions that lie just waiting to be exploited within the Green coalition. How can a party, for example, that campaigned more energetically for Gaza than for Manchester, a party whose own deputy leader expressed support for Hamas terrorists when they murdered 1,200 Israelis in October 2023, still win a by-election in a city where, less than a decade ago, exactly the same brand of Islamist extremism that motivates Hamas took the lives of 22 people attending an Ariana Grande concert?

How can the Greens, with their blinkered obsession with gender ideology and contempt for the notion of women’s single-sex spaces nevertheless attract and retain the support of a Muslim community known to be socially conservative?

Did Labour even try to exploit such contradictions? Or were they too craven to even try?

The most damning verdict on Gorton and Denton is not that Labour became the victim of tactical voting or of attacks from both Right and Left flanks. It is that it not only lost one of its safest seats but deserved to. And trying to pin the blame on any of Keir Starmer’s junior colleagues in Government simply won’t wash.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...lace-position/

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

In this by-election campaign just ended, Labour proved unwilling or unable to expose the fragility and the contradictions that lie just waiting to be exploited within the Green coalition. How can a party, for example, that campaigned more energetically for Gaza than for Manchester, a party whose own deputy leader expressed support for Hamas terrorists when they murdered 1,200 Israelis in October 2023, still win a by-election in a city where, less than a decade ago, exactly the same brand of Islamist extremism that motivates Hamas took the lives of 22 people attending an Ariana Grande concert?

How can the Greens, with their blinkered obsession with gender ideology and contempt for the notion of women’s single-sex spaces nevertheless attract and retain the support of a Muslim community known to be socially conservative?

Did Labour even try to exploit such contradictions? Or were they too craven to even try?

The most damning verdict on Gorton and Denton is not that Labour became the victim of tactical voting or of attacks from both Right and Left flanks. It is that it not only lost one of its safest seats but deserved to. And trying to pin the blame on any of Keir Starmer’s junior colleagues in Government simply won’t wash.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...lace-position/

The phrase, useful idiots springs to mind.

[bots]

But it's all nonsense because it was a by-election. The seat will go back to labour on a general

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bots

But it's all nonsense because it was a by-election. The seat will go back to labour on a general

That certainly used to be the case before but I do think the political map is changing.
However in the last election, the seats the Conservative Party lost didn't return to them in that election.

Plus the newer voters coming into play now.
The Greens are miles ahead as their preferred Party.
With Labour next but Reform way down in their liking.

Starmer has in the main lost this by-election for Labour in my view.
He just hasn't any real strengths as to delivery of his own thinking never mind as I o policies.
I did have major concerns that if people voted Green, that could divide opposing votes to Reform and let them in.
However voters felt this time the Greens were a better bet to stop Reform.
They were right.
I hope to see this more, where Labour, LibDems, Greens and possibly others, look at who would be best placed to beat Reform in any area or seat.
I'd support that.
If I'd lived in this constituency myself I would have struggled with who to vote for.
Had Burnham stood, no doubt I'd have voted for him.
However more than likely since he wasn't there, I would have voted Green on the day myself.
ONLY however in the hope of stopping a Reform win, that's how I'll be using my vote for the immediate future in any elections.

[Livia]

LOL... Who is voting for Zack's party of wackos? It's hilarious.... Amnesty for all illegal migrants, a salary for them without them having to work, like that's not going to attract them by the boatload. And people voted for them.

Labour shot themselves in the foot by not letting Burnham stand. Now they're sunk. How long till the general election? Not 3 years, I bet. Let's see how it goes when the country goes to the ballot box and the whole thing isn't decided by disgruntled lefties and Muslim collective family voting.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL... Who is voting for Zack's party of wackos? It's hilarious.... Amnesty for all illegal migrants, a salary for them without them having to work, like that's not going to attract them by the boatload. And people voted for them.

Labour shot themselves in the foot by not letting Burnham stand. Now they're sunk. How long till the general election? Not 3 years, I bet. Let's see how it goes when the country goes to the ballot box and the whole thing isn't decided by disgruntled lefties and Muslim collective family voting.

thats my point. What this will do is put the greens policies under the microscope. People want change, but they certainly dont want the country taken over

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bots

thats my point. What this will do is put the greens policies under the microscope. People want change, but they certainly dont want the country taken over

I hope you're right, bots.

I have to say I was shocked at the Reform result. I'm sure they were never expecting to win this by election, but they beat Labour into second place and got over 10,000 votes. I'm quite amazed.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

I hope you're right, bots.

I have to say I was shocked at the Reform result. I'm sure they were never expecting to win this by election, but they beat Labour into second place and got over 10,000 votes. I'm quite amazed.

i think what was clear from this is that people were unhappy with labour, thats why i was saying burnham wouldnt have won either. Think back to the last GE and some good tory mp's lost their seats purely because people were fed up with the tories. Burnham needs to let all this take its course, you cant change the direction of the titanic. He would either fail winning this seat or fail further down the line

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bots

i think what was clear from this is that people were unhappy with labour, thats why i was saying burnham wouldnt have won either. Think back to the last GE and some good tory mp's lost their seats purely because people were fed up with the tories. Burnham needs to let all this take its course, you cant change the direction of the titanic. He would either fail winning this seat or fail further down the line

Bit in bold, quote of the week for me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

but they certainly dont want the country taken over

weds

Manchester United hosts historic Ramadan Iftar at Old Trafford

Manchester United opened the doors of Old Trafford on Tuesday evening for a
historic Ramadan Iftar, blending faith, football, and community under the
floodlights of one of English football’s most iconic stadiums.

Organised by the Manchester United Muslim Supporters Club (MUMSC) in
partnership with the club, the event welcomed around 80 fans selected via
ballot, along with special guests, marking a significant step in the club’s
inclusivity efforts.

The 2026 Iftar was particularly historic: for the first time ever, the Adhan, the
Islamic call to prayer, echoed across the stands.

[joeysteele]

With a virtually same turnout as was in the general election.

Labour down and the Greens up by almost equal percentages.

The Conservatives, ( the official opposition in Westminster), alongside the Lib Dems were just also rans.

Reform woukd have believed they had a great opportunity here, they were 2nd in the general election and put an extremely high profile candidate forward too.

Yet despite the split in the opposing votes to Reform, they couldn't and didn't capiltalise on that position gained in 2024.
They doubled their vote to over 10,000 but were well beaten despite the splitting of the opposing votes.
No Reform win makes me happier, it's always good to see hate fuelling divisiveness against other human beings not succeeding.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No Reform win makes me happier, it's always good to see hate fuelling divisiveness against other human beings not succeeding.